METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Maverick Jan 20, 2017 @ 2:58am
MGS5 Kojima and Konami. What happened?
I'm not a hardcore fan of the MGS series but I do love the games and i've always been excitied for the next release.

Recently, I started checking MGS5's future and what was to come but i've noticed this might not even happen and the production has all stopped.

My questions are:
What happened with the creator and company, did they get into a big clash which has affected the series?
Will there be future titles for MGS?
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JAD Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:02am 
As of now, what has been made public is that Kojima left Konami and founded Kojima Productions with the help Sony's money with the only condition to be that the 1st title would be a temporal PS4 exclusive to be released later on PC as well.

There hasn't been any official statement regarding Kojima's departure, not a single official for the record explanation, only speculation and theories.

Konami did say, though, that they wouldn't develop or complete anything else for MGSV story nor release anything. Kind of makes sense, since the creator of the game left the company...

The next title for the Metal Gear franchise (not canon) is supposed to be Metal Gear Survive, that garbage Konami presented last year.
Last edited by JAD; Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:04am
Maverick Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:05am 
Thanks for that reply, but kinda sad about that last bit.
Last edited by Maverick; Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:05am
JAD Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:11am 
Originally posted by BBB Lieut. Clough:
Thanks for that reply, but kinda sad about that last bit.
Sad, but true. Konami business model has changed, executive board has changed. They don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about fans nor their franchises. They make enough money in Japan only with pachinko ♥♥♥♥♥.

There were a bunch of fanatics that thought these all was a ruse of some short to make people believe Kojima left Konami and secretly prepare something for the 30th anniversary of MG (this year). Even those have lost hope. I simply don't give a ♥♥♥♥ anymore, I had my good ration of fun and there's no point in keep giving love to this game when their owners don't give a ♥♥♥♥ either.

MGSV was meant to be a master piece and MGO was meant to be the best multiplayer experience of 2015/2016. Both are far from that. Very good games, I love them. Simply, not as good as they could have been or were meant to be.
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Maverick Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:12am 
Yeah, I heared about Konami's level of respect for everything. Money grabbers
Hammer Of Evil Jan 20, 2017 @ 10:04am 
Originally posted by BBB Lieut. Clough:
Yeah, I heared about Konami's level of respect for everything. Money grabbers

Some intel i gathered over the last few years was that Konami is a family company. I guess it's a family's last name. So the elder who was president or CEO or whatever, was onboard with kojima and all of that. Rad bromance etc. They've been working together since the first NES titles with Metal Gear.

However there was an internal power struggle at some point - the board of directors or whoever the major stakeholders were, had various concerns. Not entirely sure what they were. At some point the old man (kojima's bro) was replaced by one of the next generation up-and-comers, and the old man has retired or been 'put to pasture' in corporate terms.

Bromance now over. - So everything changes, as new top-down policy is put in place, and the future of Kojima's studio in konami (something that's been .. a mainstay for years and years) is now uncertain.

The new leadership didn't like how kojima was a rock star - and wanted the glory to fall to konami not kojima. there's other speculation about profiteering- and they thought the hen that laid golden eggs (kojima) had laid his last with MGSIV, so were looking at downsizing him and changing the previous deals they had - one of their new directions was poopy little portable titles and mobile app development, low cost, high return.

ofc kojima didn't like that one bit. they used to work together - now he was facing a dictatorship.

A lot of this went down while MGSV was entering the final stages of development, which is what leads me to believe the game could have been much more without the farce that konami's turned into now.

Just looking at the final cutscenes when you finish MGSV - and how many scenes are smashed together to try to explain everything and tie it off leads me to speculate that this game was going to be itself again in length, and contain more developed features.

I think the only way another MGS will have a shot is if kojima is somehow able to wrest the MGS franchise away from konami - and i doubt those bitter profiteering skanks are ever going to let that happen. Though, without kojima, konami's mgs has no soul, i feel they'll have no choice but to let it go.

At any rate, a konami title without kojima's name on it? No thanks. A konami title in general? Not for me.

I'll pull my support for their company the way they pulled support on hideo.
Nish-Ki Jan 20, 2017 @ 2:37pm 
In Short...

Win:Sony :VSnake:
Extracted Staff: Hideo Kojima
Masaki Saito
Jackie Tan
Yasuhiro Kawakami
Chihoko Uchiyama
Akio Sakamoto (FOX Engine developer)

Lose:Konami :Miller:
Development Complete:[Pachinko machines]
:[Zombies in FOX]
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Salok Jan 20, 2017 @ 3:04pm 
Originally posted by NS in SA:
In Short...

Win:Sony :VSnake:
Extracted Staff: Hideo Kojima
Masaki Saito
Jackie Tan
Yasuhiro Kawakami
Chihoko Uchiyama
Akio Sakamoto (FOX Engine developer)

Lose:Konami :Miller:
Development Complete:[Pachinko machines]
:[Zombies in FOX]
You forgot [HD cutscene addon for Pachinko]
Nick Naughty Jan 20, 2017 @ 5:10pm 
Seems to be Kojima vs Konami, doesn't matter who wins, its the fans that lose.

Konami is the money grab, but Kojima thinks of himself as the high almighty, both are the problem.

Good news is that metal gear rising is a good game that didn't include Kojima, so its quite possible to get a decent metal gear title, the bad news is there isn't any news of any story driven metal gear title to come.

Last edited by Nick Naughty; Jan 20, 2017 @ 5:11pm
Seamus Jan 20, 2017 @ 5:13pm 
Originally posted by NS in SA:
In Short...

Win:Sony :VSnake:
Extracted Staff: Hideo Kojima
Masaki Saito
Jackie Tan
Yasuhiro Kawakami
Chihoko Uchiyama
Akio Sakamoto (FOX Engine developer)

Lose:Konami :Miller:
Development Complete:[Pachinko machines]
:[Zombies in FOX]
And more ex-Konami staff are slowly joining Kojima's new company to work on Death Stranding. Win-win, even if we do lose a beloved series in the process.

Originally posted by Nick Naughty:
Seems to be Kojima vs Konami, doesn't matter who wins, its the fans that lose.

Konami is the money grab, but Kojima thinks of himself as the high almighty, both are the problem.

Good news is that metal gear rising is a good game that didn't include Kojima, so its quite possible to get a decent metal gear title, the bad news is there isn't any news of any story driven metal gear title to come.
Frankly, I'd be happy to see the license given to Platinum and us get a second Rising. God knows we could use more chopping things into eight million pieces before they explode as a cyborg in heels.
Last edited by Seamus; Jan 20, 2017 @ 5:14pm
JHarlequin Jan 20, 2017 @ 9:00pm 
I have an almost nasty and short sighted theory about their inablity to work together anymore, but roughly I agree with Nick Naughty. They have non-cooperative viewpoints on the design of games and so they will not make games together anymore. It does mean that Metal gear has pretty much seen an end to the series because no one would be willing to touch it after the company and the creator have done everything that they have done to the series.
Maverick Jan 21, 2017 @ 1:36am 
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TheOrangeBox Jan 21, 2017 @ 1:44am 
Just follow Kojima and you'll see the next iteration of MGS ...

there are only Zombi left at Konami.
moralitis Jan 21, 2017 @ 4:08pm 
Originally posted by NS in SA:
In Short...

Win:Sony :VSnake:
Extracted Staff: Hideo Kojima
Masaki Saito
Jackie Tan
Yasuhiro Kawakami
Chihoko Uchiyama
Akio Sakamoto (FOX Engine developer)

Lose:Konami :Miller:
Development Complete:[Pachinko machines]
:[Zombies in FOX]
Hell he even bagged ex-Konami president Shinji Harana from what i understand
Last edited by moralitis; Jan 21, 2017 @ 4:09pm
Nick Naughty Jan 21, 2017 @ 5:13pm 
Originally posted by moralitis:
Originally posted by NS in SA:
In Short...

Win:Sony :VSnake:
Extracted Staff: Hideo Kojima
Masaki Saito
Jackie Tan
Yasuhiro Kawakami
Chihoko Uchiyama
Akio Sakamoto (FOX Engine developer)

Lose:Konami :Miller:
Development Complete:[Pachinko machines]
:[Zombies in FOX]
Hell he even bagged ex-Konami president Shinji Harana from what i understand
But forgot to mention Kojima lost the ip to metal gear, and maybe even the fox engine.
Luxia Jan 21, 2017 @ 5:31pm 
Originally posted by Nick Naughty:
Originally posted by moralitis:
Hell he even bagged ex-Konami president Shinji Harana from what i understand
But forgot to mention Kojima lost the ip to metal gear, and maybe even the fox engine.
Fox engine also belongs to Konami.
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