Please allow 3 weapons in Ranger Mode!

[your evil twin]

In original Metro 2033 you could carry a pistol, a submachine gun/assault rifle, and a third two-handed weapon (shotgun, pneumatic weapon, Hellsing arrow gun, etc). This was the same in Ranger mode.

In Metro Last light they got rid of the weapon categories so you could carry 3 weapons of any type. Of course that makes things a bit easier, so in Ranger mode they made it harder by limiting you to carrying two weapons.

And now they've put that weapon system into Metro 2033. I'm not happy about that at all, and I know a bunch of other people that feel the same way. There have been a couple of discussions about it here and I've also seen people complaining about it on various forums.

Ranger mode is supposed to be the more "realistic" option, but this isn't realistic at all. You can't put a shotgun or an assault rifle into the pistol holster on your leg, so why do you have to drop your pistol if you want to carry an assault rifle and a shotgun? The pistol shuoldn't be involved in that situation at all. Normally I don't care about that sort of thing, but original Metro 2033 was one of the few games that was sensible about this, it allowed you to carry two big guns and a pistol. So no matter the situation you'd always have a pistol, the only time you'd get rid of your pistol was to pick up another pistol.

In fact, in Metro 2033 Redux the first Ranger that you see is carrying two guns on his back (a shotgun and a silenced rifle with a bayonet)... and he also has a pistol holster on his leg. If the NPCs can figure out how that rifles are worn on your back and pistols go into pistol holsters, why does Ranger mode arbitrarily limit the player to two guns?

http://i.imgur.com/eNH3GEp.jpg

What makes the new 2-weapon limit really suck is that Redux adds more weapons and weapon customisation. But if you have only two weapon slots you'll only try out half the guns in the game and you wont' want to waste money upgrading weapons that you might have to drop ten minutes later.

With a a 3-weapon limit you take a risk - you can pick up an unusual hard-to-use weapon, or you can spend money upgrading one of your guns, and then even if you run out of ammo for that weapon or you are in a situation where that gun isn't suitable you can still carry it around uselessly and use your other two guns. With a 2-weapon limit you can't afford to have a useless weapon slot so when you run out of bullets for your upgraded gun you'll have to drop it and pick up whatever piece of crap is lying around.

I personally really liked the weapon category system of original Metro 2033, but if they can't reimpliment that then at the very least they should add an option to choose "Carry three weapons/carry two weapons".

That way, if you like having a 2-weapon limit you can choose that option, even if you are playing in normal difficulty. And if you like the flexibility of 3 weapons (or want the game to be more similar to original metro 2033) then you can select that option, on both normal mode and ranger mode.

[Katze18]

Publicado originalmente por Crooked:

Publicado originalmente por Katze18:

>завёл буржуйский стим, написал там логин по-анлийски и пароль по-английски
>завёл себе нерусский же никнейм
>но писать он в англоязычных тредах всё-равно будет на своём русском языке, он же НЕ ПОДСТРАИВАЕТСЯ, он свободный человек. И за столом он не чавкает, хотя у меня большие сомнения теперь на этот счёт
Ещё давно было понятно, за какие черты рюзге пользователей не любят в сетевых играх, но теперь, когда сам сталкиваешься с этим, понимаешь, насколько всё запущено.

С тобой всё ясно, пока.

Только ещё раз где-нибудь здесь в англоязычном треде попробуй забалакать на русском, придётся снова прощаться.

[your evil twin]

Publicado originalmente por IonizedReactor:

So you want make the game easier then? Both Survival & Spartan Ranger Hardcore is insanely easy as it is. It took me 11 hours to beat metro 2033 Redux on Survival Ranger Hardcore for first playthrough. Why add more weapons to the mix? If anything, having more weapons just bogs you down and seems unreal. Its' just like in STALKER, having multiple weapons is unneeded. Just have your knife, a main weapon, and a backup.

You might as well complain "why does this game have any difficulty other than ranger mode? Ranger mode is already too easy!" The other difficulty settings are not meant for you. If you are happy with the 2-weapon limit, why argue against giving other players a 3-weapon option?

I'm asking for a menu option. Or a console command or something we can put into the config file with a text editor, like the field of view fixes. You'll still be able to play with the two gun limit if you want to.

I bought Metro Redux to have improved graphics and performance and enemy AI. But I want to have a Ranger mode experience similar to original Metro 2033. In the original game the player would carry a pistol and an assault rifle throughout the whole game, and the third weapon slot would be for whatever weapons you found - shotgun, tihar, hellsing, volt driver, etc. But you always had a pistol and an assault rifle, that was the standard arsenal.

There are very cool pistol upgrades that turn it into a silenced sniper weapon. But if you have a 2-weapon limit, you'll probably drop your pistol the first time you find a shotgun, since shotguns are better for dealing with mutants. Who is going to buy those upgrades knowing that 15 minutes later they will drop the pistol to pick up a shotgun for fighting mutants?

[wape]

Agreed 100% with OP

[Nite69]

2 weapons would be fine in Ranger Mode, use the AK Rifle with 2x scope and Silencer for humans, and use the Shambler Shotgun for mutants, best way to go.

[Dracses]

I see what you're saying about it being less interesting, OP. The thing is though, Metro's interface isn't something akin to half-life where each weapon type is assigned a number on the keyboard. This thought comes to mind in defence of the system: Scrolling through to get to the right weapon could take precious time on Ranger/RH that could get you killed. When only limited to two, more powerful weapons I might add, the system is more simple and to the point. Switching between your revolver rifle to your shotgun quickly, instead of switching through the ak, to the hellbreath, to the shambler.

[your evil twin]

Except in original Metro 2033, you guns were assigned to keyboard number keys! 1, 2 and 3. 1 was your pistol, 2 was your assualt rifle, 3 was all other types of 2-handed weapon. (Shotgun, Hellsing, volt driver, whatever.) It worked fine. It was better than Half-Life because you didn't have to scroll through multiple weapons to get to the one you wanted, there was only one gun under each number key.

Publicado originalmente por =EGC= _Nite_:

2 weapons would be fine in Ranger Mode, use the AK Rifle with 2x scope and Silencer for humans, and use the Shambler Shotgun for mutants, best way to go.

That's exactly the problem, though - a 2 weapon system encourages you to just use assault rifle and shotgun for the whole game, which means you don't get to try all the cool, interesting weapons like the volt driver or hellsing. (And now in redux there's a flamethrower as well.)

Basically, it's a case of "This is ranger mode, the way Metro is meant to be played! Oh, you want to use the entire arsenal of cool, interesting weapons? Hahahahaha, you pitiful fool, the true Metro experience is nothing but assault rifle and shotgun!"

[Sam Turtle]

finally someone whos agrees! let us carry three weapons but limit the ammo since im usually conservative with it and make precise shots even with el bastardo!

[Jig McGalliger]

Publicado originalmente por Sam Turtle:

finally someone whos agrees! let us carry three weapons but limit the ammo since im usually conservative with it and make precise shots even with el bastardo!

The ammo is already limited to only 6 clips for standard guns. Less for specialty weapons.

It is supposed to be a challenge, don't whine when you decide to play hard mode and it is hard. Grow some balls and take the risk to go through the next area with a Tihar and a B astard. You might run low on ammo but guess what, in every singe level there are weapons to be found. Congratulations you just played a game that didn't hold your hand, feels good huh? Choose a different mode to suit your preference, they give you 8 different ways to play this game and that still isn't enough... don't ask to fix what isn't even broken. The config file can change your weapon limit.

Personally, I'll take an Ashot and a Helsing and get through any level no problem on survival ranger hardcore.

[wape]

@Jig McGalliger

Way to miss the point.

Nobody is saying that RHC is too hard because of the 2 weapon limit, it's just that it's less fun when most people will use the AR&shotgun combination throughout the entire game. Besides, there is no reason in terms of realism why Artyom couldn't carry a pistol on his hip, as well as two large weapons on his back, just like Metro 2033 original.

And why don't you enlighten the rest of us how to enable 3 weapons in Ranger modes from the config? I'm betting that you can't. I wish we could do that -- then this suggestion would be irrelevant.

If you don't know what you're talking about, then do yourself a favor and shut up. Your post makes you look like a total douchebag.

[Dracses]

It's really odd how people seem to be so 50/50 on this. :/ I see the reasoning behind wanting the 3 weapons, but it doesn't limit you as much as you think. I run through the game with the Helsing and Shambler on Ranger Hardcore. The only weapon I think I really avoid actually is the Tihar but only because I've never really liked it. You can take whatever you want really. The Rifle/Shotty meta doesn't have to be followed, it's just the easiest or most preferred. I'm a little curious about what that guy said about the cfg too. It'd be funny if you could carry all the weapons in the game at once haha.

[M1917Enfield]

I agree. Many people disagree but limiting it to 2 weapons ruins your chances to try out new weapons. Ranger mode was tough as hell for me and saying that 3 weapons makes it easier is BS. I died many times in ranger mode.

[Rai]

The problem isn't the weapon limit, it's the console-friendly inventory system. The radial wheel, which doesn't show up in a Ranger Hardcore mode so you pretty much have to guess what grenade you have, and the fact that you can't keep your knife/throwing knives out anymore. It's all done so that they game plays better on a controller. That's the biggest problem with this game, at least on the PC version, is that that isn't the ideal situation.

[your evil twin]

Publicado originalmente por Approach:

Publicado originalmente por Pvt Kia:

Many people disagree but limiting it to 2 weapons ruins your chances to try out new weapons.

According to the developers this mode is not for the first walkthrough. So, before you select the ranger mode, you have had to try all the weapons in a simple mode.:mkb:

This is a good point. :) However there are many people on forums that go "you gotta play Ranger mode, it's the only real way to experience Metro!" and encourage people to do their first playthrough using it. And then give them advice like sticking to the assault rifle and shotgun for the whole game.

Publicado originalmente por Jig McGalliger:

Choose a different mode to suit your preference, they give you 8 different ways to play this game and that still isn't enough... don't ask to fix what isn't even broken. The config file can change your weapon limit.

Can you give the details on the required config file changes? Or a link perhaps? I'd be extremely grateful to learn how to change the weapon limit using the config file.

[David Robert Jones]

try geting baeter noob