Venture Zero Prop

[Zeradus]

Is it just me or is the Venture Zero Propeller very weak compared to even just a nose propeller. I have tried throwing two of these on a build that is easily lifted by just one nose prop and can never get it off of the ground.

[Jamie]

What are other people's thoughts on this?

[Zeradus]

引用自 Jamie Finch：

What are other people's thoughts on this?

Wow holy crap a dev response......I love your game!!!!

[ZeroGravitas]

The Zero Propellers certainly don't pack as much of a punch as their kind-of jet engine appearance might suggest. But then they're not booster jets, maybe best to think of them as electric turbines, or something...

I think fans/rotors/propellers are roughly balanced with each other in terms of the total block volume they occupy - their 'footprint'. In these terms the Zero Props only take up 3 blocks, while the Seraphim Nose Props each require 9 blocks. So one should expect a 3:1 ratio, for the same thrust.

The Zeros also have loads of attach points, so are easy to stack, plus look great. I think their power is fair, given all this. And I've seen them used successfully, just fine, on planes with decent wing area.

[Zeradus]

引用自 ZeroGravitas：

The Zero Propellers certainly don't pack as much of a punch as their kind-of jet engine appearance might suggest. But then they're not booster jets, maybe best to think of them as electric turbines, or something...

I think fans/rotors/propellers are roughly balanced with each other in terms of the total block volume they occupy - their 'footprint'. In these terms the Zero Props only take up 3 blocks, while the Seraphim Nose Props each require a 9 blocks. So one should expect a 3:1 ratio.

The Zeros also have loads of attach points, so are easy to stack, plus look great. I think their power is fair, given all this. And I've seen them used successfully, just fine, on planes with decent win area.

Yeah I just thought that a turbine looking engine like that would be more powerful than a single nose prop even if it was just by a 1.5 to 1 ratio for power. Now that I know to view them as just a cosmetic choice rather than functional choice that helps a lot. Manufacturing one prop vs 4 Zero Props makes more sense to get more bank for your buck. Plus if it take 3 Zero props to equal 1 regular front prop that still makes it take the same block space........

[Peasant]

ZG is on the money. The Nose Prop has 1500 force, the Zero has 1000 force, so it's more like two thirds the power of the Nose rather than a third (based on the footprint). But yeah, the Zero is positioned as a more versatile prop that can be used in a few different locations to the Nose Prop. It was never meant to be more powerful. Those Nose Props are a pain to use in the right spots because there aren't many forward facing APs on most flying Techs.

[Zeradus]

So then I must have a bug as with two Zero Props I can't get the same tech to lift off that I can with just one nose prop. Which isn't right if we go off your numbers.

[ZeroGravitas]

引用自 Tora：

The Nose Prop has 1500 force, the Zero has 1000 force, so it's more like two thirds the power of the Nose rather than a third (based on the footprint).

That's not what I'm seeing in 0.7.9, either.

引用自 Warhurst：

with two Zero Props I can't get the same tech to lift off that I can with just one nose prop.

Confirmed.

I did some fairly careful testing, and a tech that *just* lifts off the ground with 1 Seraphim stays planted with 2 Zeros instead.

The Zeros do weigh more (2 units compared to the Seraphim's 1, from the data I have). But compensating for this, by removing 3 GSO 1-blocks from the test tech, when switching from Seraphim to Zero, I find that 2 Zeros produce exactly the same thrust as 1 Seraphim. 2:1. (12 x 1GSO1-block x g, verses, 24 x 1GSO1-block x g)

I don't know if you've buffed the Zero's thrust recently, Kris, we've not had a patch this year (it's still Christmas in our TerraTech ).

[NightbladeGreyswandir]

You can put it as you like in game, but if you follow technology in RL, then Zero have to be at least double strength of nose propeller.
All propellers are too similar and that makes difference cosmetic. From my point of view it should be that VE nose should be 1 (ratio for comparing, not real strength) , HE propeller should be 1,5, both are 3x3x1 and VE Zero should be 0.7 for 3x1x1 (2.1 for 3x3x1 volume).
And GSO propeller should be also little stronger than it is now, at least 20% just for sake of early game GSO planes that have relatively heavy GSO blocks but not so good GSO engines.

[Gugnarr the Mighty Thewed]

Yo're forgetting the extra weight of the Zero.
one prop might be enough to lift off.
But is it enough to lift off with the extra weight?

[ZeroGravitas]

引用自 Gugnarr the Mighty Thewed：

Yo're forgetting the extra weight of the Zero.
one prop might be enough to lift off.
But is it enough to lift off with the extra weight?

See my comment above:

引用自 ZeroGravitas：

The Zeros do weigh more (2 units compared to the Seraphim's 1, from the data I have). But compensating for this, by removing 3 GSO 1-blocks from the test tech, when switching from Seraphim to Zero, I find that 2 Zeros produce exactly the same thrust as 1 Seraphim. 2:1. /quote]

[ZeroGravitas]

I've just quickly retested these and it looks like the Zero propellers are now *twice* as strong as I was seeing before, 50% stronger than Kris stated above! So each is now a smidgen more powerful than Seraphim nose prop.

They made me a nice general purpose runabout tech that will cruise continuously at 180mph. 😊

[Gugnarr the Mighty Thewed]

So now they need to fix the nose prop.