Is DOW 3 worth buying?

[Destyre]

We're coming up to cruch time now. From the get go I've pretty much decided that Relic is no longer competent to make anything since DOW1. I loved DOW1 and hated 2 because it did away with massive glorious battles in favour of micromanagement and "heroes" where you had less units at your command, the stupid "flee" mechanic and victory point wins. It seemed like a lazy reskin of CoH. I only played it for last stand.

However, seeing let's plays of the game, limited as they are, it seems like this game is more like DoW than DoW2. Is that the case? I marked this game as a failure the moment it was announced and I found out that there were only 3 races in the initial lineup, no doubt so that Relic can release DLC for Chaos, just like they did in DoW2 (But at least then they were replaced with Tyranids there)

I've heard that there is base building but no defences. I've heard something about elite units and how they do a "Blizzard" (i.e all the important characters are 3 times the size of minor fighters). It is looking far better than I expected but want to be sure before I fork out.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

I think that if you hate dow 2 and CoH games, dow 3 is the game for you. Its exact oposite of those games basicaly.

[Destyre]

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

I think that if you hate dow 2 and CoH games, dow 3 is the game for you. Its exact oposite of those games basicaly.

Thanks. So it is closer to DOW1 then? Is it better? Just different?

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Originally posted by Destyre:

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

I think that if you hate dow 2 and CoH games, dow 3 is the game for you. Its exact oposite of those games basicaly.

Thanks. So it is closer to DOW1 then? Is it better? Just different?

Its not better then dow 1. Its alot different, but you get to build your buildings and spam units. Actual micro management becomes obsolete after 15 minutes. On the other hand it doesnt have the game mode and map variety of dow 1. It also has 3 factions.

[Aedwynn]

Only 3 factions, only 1 multiplayer game mode. No cover, no accuracy, no morale. Starcraft style Blob vs Blob combat, no comebacks. Flashy graphics though.

[Destyre]

Originally posted by Aedwynn:

Only 3 factions, only 1 multiplayer game mode. No cover, no accuracy, no morale. Starcraft style Blob vs Blob combat, no comebacks. Flashy graphics though.

No cover? Well that doesn't bother me too much, I HATED the cover system in DOW2. The morale being missing... not sure if I like it or not but will be interesting to see how they balance orks and imps (if they put imps in). The sole multiplayer game mode would be to destroy the enemies buildings, I take it, like annihilation in DoW1? Could it be that more game modes are available in full release, I wonder...

Here's hoping. Because the biggest complaint I see is lack of content.

[Voronyx]

Originally posted by Destyre:

The sole multiplayer game mode would be to destroy the enemies buildings, I take it, like annihilation in DoW1? Could it be that more game modes are available in full release, I wonder...

Here's hoping. Because the biggest complaint I see is lack of content.

I would highly suggest avoiding these forums if you want an unbiased opinion and do the research yourself.
As to your other questions:
There are activatable power shields in certain locations that function like cover/buildings.
The game mode is basically annihilation, but instead of destroying the HQ, there is a separate building that functions as the victory condition.
"blob" vs "blob" doesn't actually work once both players know what they are doing and this game takes a lot of micro to play well.
This is just the base game and will undoubtedly be fleshed out by additional factions, maps and other flavour.

[Bad_vader]

Avoid this forum if you want an unbias opinion. This place is full of haters and fanboys. Not exactly the best place to get a clear picture.

But if you really want one I'd suggest watch videos on the gameplay, that way you'll know what you're getting.

[Rylain]

Originally posted by Bad_vader:

Avoid this forum if you want an unbias opinion. This place is full of haters and fanboys. Not exactly the best place to get a clear picture.

But if you really want one I'd suggest watch videos on the gameplay, that way you'll know what you're getting.

I've watched videos, but only have a theoretical idea of the game. Require actual hands-on to know.

[Bad_vader]

Originally posted by Rylain:

Originally posted by Bad_vader:

Avoid this forum if you want an unbias opinion. This place is full of haters and fanboys. Not exactly the best place to get a clear picture.

But if you really want one I'd suggest watch videos on the gameplay, that way you'll know what you're getting.

I've watched videos, but only have a theoretical idea of the game. Require actual hands-on to know.

There is the steam refund policy to fall back to. Test the game out for 1hr then refund if it doesn't suit you. Just make sure you don't go over the refund time limit :P

[Arc4thewin]

Originally posted by Bad_vader:

Originally posted by Rylain:

I've watched videos, but only have a theoretical idea of the game. Require actual hands-on to know.

There is the steam refund policy to fall back to. Test the game out for 1hr then refund if it doesn't suit you. Just make sure you don't go over the refund time limit :P

I agree with this however I would say it is worth playing,(just from beta experiance open/closed) Im jaded though im a huge rts fan in all of its forms minus mobas, cause they just are not fun to me. This dawn of war seems at least on multiplayer a great edition to the mix. Ultimately it depends on what your tastes are.

[Aedwynn]

Originally posted by Voro:

As to your other questions:
There are activatable power shields in certain locations that function like cover/buildings.
The game mode is basically annihilation, but instead of destroying the HQ, there is a separate building that functions as the victory condition.
"blob" vs "blob" doesn't actually work once both players know what they are doing and this game takes a lot of micro to play well.
This is just the base game and will undoubtedly be fleshed out by additional factions, maps and other flavour.

Blob vs Blob is how this game plays and will be played, don't mislead others on that point. It's just that game focus shifts greatly during match. In the beginning, microcontrolling your units is important as your task is to secure more resource points than enemy does. Since most units can't fire on the move and there is no cover/morale, concentrating your forces is the only option to defeat the enemy if you need to take a point. Yes, those are tiny blobs but blobs regardless. At midgame you simply sit on points guarding them with same groups/Blobs. Blob hard counters appear but they can be countered as well, meaning you just need to pay attention to disperse/congregate your blob when someone tries to nuke it. At late game line units are just distraction/meatshields that you send to bog down enemy while your Predator/WraithGuard blob and 10Elite obliterates enemy. Because you have so many resources you don't care even if they are wiped in seconds.
Yes, you have means to counter tight groups of enemies, but that doesn't mean enemy can't counter your counter. In the beginning units are precious but in the end they are trash. At end you don't care what your regular troops do, as such it is Blob vs Blob tactic aka gather more resources and build bigger army to win.

[Destyre]

Originally posted by Bad_vader:

Originally posted by Rylain:

I've watched videos, but only have a theoretical idea of the game. Require actual hands-on to know.

There is the steam refund policy to fall back to. Test the game out for 1hr then refund if it doesn't suit you. Just make sure you don't go over the refund time limit :P

What Rylain said. Been watching let's plays but many are quite old (I want to see very up to date stuff) or just have VERY annoying guys narrating, so hard to see what it's all about. What I have seen has got my attention, whereas before I was of the mindset: "This game is going to be a joke."

The refund policy may not be an option for me as I know from personal experience that Steam starts getting annoyed when you refund too often. Lately I've bought a couple of bad ports with major issues that I've had to refund. Rather not refund if I don't have to.

That's why I thought it might be handy for people like me to ask you chaps who have played the Beta. I can be objective as I'm sure most can. It's all about getting various opinions to get a "feel" of the game at the end of the day.

Having said that I'm leaning towards buying it at the moment, it does look fun.

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

I think that if you hate dow 2 and CoH games, dow 3 is the game for you. Its exact oposite of those games basicaly.

I didn't hate CoH, but hated DoW2 with its small squads compared to DoW1