To Everyone complaining the Space Marines are not Fluff-Friendly

[DJLOGAN]

While I have not got the game yet, I have seen SOOOOO many people complaining 'space marines are super weak compared to the fluff so I decided to point out something.
A lone space marine in the lore;
A lone space marine sees some orks and they charge. There is about 15 of them about 60m away and they see him and charge. The space marine kills most of them with his bolter and the few orks get within melee range are torn apart by the space marines power-armoured fists be fore they can land any blows. THen some Shoota Boys, about 20 of them, see him and lauch a massive firestorm at him. The space marine barely notices the shots and buthchers them with his bolter. Then 5 ork nobs come and rush him down, even then the massive orks lose 2 of thier own and another is blown of his feet. The orks then come to blows with him their massive axes hacking away at his armour. he loses an arm but just beats one of the orks to death with it and the other ork has a hole ripped in his chest, killing it, but not before it knocks the space marine out. Then an Apothocarie comes and heals the space marine and gives him a new biounic arm and his is back fight a couple ours later.
Hope that clears up why they are not Fluff firnedly in the game.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Originally posted by Marxon:

Only Mary Sue Marines or Matt Ward Mahreens (Ultrasmurfs) can accomplish the scenario you just mentioned, your belief that a single SM can take on a horde of Orks solo is woefully misplaced. Even in Dreadnought armour they'd struggle against overwhelming numbers.

If your going to come here on claim to understand anything about the lore please quote a reference point, otherwise your only ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the lore you proclaim to understand (Whch you don't).

exactly.

[Warnoise]

I hope Primaris Marines won't be the new Matt Ward marines...

[Cypher]

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

Originally posted by Cypher:

Basically, quite whining. This is not a WH40K game, this is just a game end of story.

Corrected it for you.

Respect, I would still keep the "table top" in the sentience somewhere, as that is where lore is most valued.

[Cypher]

Originally posted by Charlando-SHL-WKotE(Commander):

Originally posted by 8-The-General-8:

Yeah, like the serious lack of features and OP elite units in this game.

GW really stuffed the original core of lore for SM.

Just wait until they start releasing DLC for Elite units. Then the game will just be totally ridiculous.

And as stated above, Deathwing Terminators are the real essence of SM lore and what SM are really about. The short story by William King is still a favourite of mine to this day. It encapsulated everything 40K was about. Then GW took the OP model path and my interest for the TT game at least but not the genre, quickly faded.

Just as the featureless current update for this game has faded my interest in this game to 0.

As stated before, Relic is notorious for imbalancing units the first few patches which is acceptable I suppose, however, ignoring essential features for the game such as a proper zoom and better campaign play just makes me want to play UA mod instead.

I truly hope the next patch addresses some things that have been gone over many times before.

Do genestealers one-shot terminators in the lore?

Stealers are far larger and stronger than a mortal man.They are commonly described in lore as stronger than a marine in power armor, and their claws are described as diamond hard. I think that its reasonable that they can penetrate Terminator armor, but its never a simple matter of just punching through it first time. Its usually a Stealer ambushing a Termi from behind and punching a claw through a joint. Tyranids are 'hive minds', genestealers... are slightly different but I won't go into that too much, diamond hard is a reference that their claws are of the strongest organic material known to man, as today a "diamond cut drill" can cut anything.

A pack of genestealers can defiantly tear through a terminator, although in a 1v1 scenario I would place my money on the terminator, however as 'lore' tells us its possible that the genestealer COULD kill the terminator.

An example of the "could" or "chance" within law can be shown below.

Wazdakka Gutzmek, an insane ork biker, ramped his bike off a cliff into the cockpit of a titan (skyscraper-sized bipedal fighting machine). He caught fire as he flew through its shields, but still managed to slaughter the crew – without ever leaving the saddle.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Wazdakka_Gutsmek

Warhammer Lore is DOPE, shame this game sadly lacked sufficient quality. IMO I think developers focus on graphics WAY TO MUCH, considering DOW 1 graphics and the amount of shear content.

[Cypher]

Originally posted by Dude:

I find it funny that some so called 'experts' on Lore claim that Space Marines can conquer planets. This was true during the unification wars when they where organized into Legions numbering from 10.000 to 250.000 Marines each. After the Horus Heresy the Emperor decided that each legion would be divided into Chapters numbering around 1.000 Marines which is the current organisation.

A Chapter would NEVER be able to conquer a planet with a sizable hostile force occupying it, the only force in the Imperium that can accomplish that are the Imperial Guard. What a Chapter can do however is to tip the balance in the stalemate that often occurs when the Imperial Guard invades or defends a planet.

The consensus that I've seen is the thousand marines specifically is in reference to linemen only and that all chapters are expected to have separate support and command elements. You should also remember the context that the statement was made. The chapters were being pruned down from tens and hundreds of thousands of marines. There was going to be a little over and a little under anyway.

Basically, although true in lore sense their are currently 1000 operating chapters in the imperium.

You can only take "so much" from a quotation, its an estimated value to give as a minimum for each chapter as to speak.

Some chapters will have less, and strongly arguable that some chapters (Especially Dark angels - the FIRST CHAPTER) will defiantly have more than "1000".

as the quote states, 1000 space marines in each chapter (Remember this is a base number, and may only consider standard space marines, not terminators/chaplains/chapter masters) their is currently 1000 chapters operating.

So, 1000 x 1000 = 1000000

I assure you there is not exactly "1 million" space marines, additionally space marines are still being made using the gene-seed meaning MORE numbers, I just think the emperor wanted AT-LEAST minimum 1000 space marines per chapter to assure each chapter is 'strong and mighty'.

They are defiantly able to take over a plant, the Imperium is not just "1000 space marines" they are the ELITE units so to speak, for example alongside space marines you have;
Astra Militarum (Imperial guard, if you will)
Beastmen
Ogryns
Adepta Sororitas
Imperial knights (Slightly different to a 'space marine' chapter
Skitari

The imperium are not small in numbers, conquer different locations/climates across the galaxy and can unite if needed.

You cannot arguably state there is exactly 1000 space mariners per chapter at anytime, mabye initially but I assure you chapters such as Dark angels had way more numbers especially after being so dedicated to the emperor during the horus heresy.

*END of lore discussion - back to DOW 38

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Originally posted by Cypher:

Originally posted by Dude:

I find it funny that some so called 'experts' on Lore claim that Space Marines can conquer planets. This was true during the unification wars when they where organized into Legions numbering from 10.000 to 250.000 Marines each. After the Horus Heresy the Emperor decided that each legion would be divided into Chapters numbering around 1.000 Marines which is the current organisation.

A Chapter would NEVER be able to conquer a planet with a sizable hostile force occupying it, the only force in the Imperium that can accomplish that are the Imperial Guard. What a Chapter can do however is to tip the balance in the stalemate that often occurs when the Imperial Guard invades or defends a planet.

The consensus that I've seen is the thousand marines specifically is in reference to linemen only and that all chapters are expected to have separate support and command elements. You should also remember the context that the statement was made. The chapters were being pruned down from tens and hundreds of thousands of marines. There was going to be a little over and a little under anyway.

Basically, although true in lore sense their are currently 1000 operating chapters in the imperium.

You can only take "so much" from a quotation, its an estimated value to give as a minimum for each chapter as to speak.

Some chapters will have less, and strongly arguable that some chapters (Especially Dark angels - the FIRST CHAPTER) will defiantly have more than "1000".

as the quote states, 1000 space marines in each chapter (Remember this is a base number, and may only consider standard space marines, not terminators/chaplains/chapter masters) their is currently 1000 chapters operating.

So, 1000 x 1000 = 1000000

I assure you there is not exactly "1 million" space marines, additionally space marines are still being made using the gene-seed meaning MORE numbers, I just think the emperor wanted AT-LEAST minimum 1000 space marines per chapter to assure each chapter is 'strong and mighty'.

They are defiantly able to take over a plant, the Imperium is not just "1000 space marines" they are the ELITE units so to speak, for example alongside space marines you have;
Astra Militarum (Imperial guard, if you will)
Beastmen
Ogryns
Adepta Sororitas
Imperial knights (Slightly different to a 'space marine' chapter
Skitari

The imperium are not small in numbers, conquer different locations/climates across the galaxy and can unite if needed.

You cannot arguably state there is exactly 1000 space mariners per chapter at anytime, mabye initially but I assure you chapters such as Dark angels had way more numbers especially after being so dedicated to the emperor during the horus heresy.

*END of lore discussion - back to DOW 38

someone loves dark angels....^^

[DJLOGAN]

The Irony is that he has named himself after one of their most Infamous tratiors, Cyper the 'I can escape from anywhere without rhyme or reason'.

[Marxon]

Originally posted by Warnoise:

I hope Primaris Marines won't be the new Matt Ward marines...

They already have better Stat Lines and originate from the Ultrasmurfs... We'll see what happens when the other Primarchs inevitably return I guess.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Originally posted by Orkiod Inquistor:

The Irony is that he has named himself after one of their most Infamous tratiors, Cyper the 'I can escape from anywhere without rhyme or reason'.

dont do spoilers, im currently reading dat book, where they appearently are going to let him go just like that. Atleast he said so to Azrael.

[veritechfan]

oh the best story is when a fleshtearer jumps out of a thunderhawk with his jump pack and lands waaaay of target.
then hes ambushed by local human tribal warriors.
he kills hundreds of them. just non stop.

[Cypher]

*END of lore discussion - back to DOW 38 [/quote]
someone loves dark angels....^^ [/quote]

Oh... YES.

My main in tabletop and my favourite lore wise.

They are perfection, first chapter of the imperium and by far the most BADASS

[Cypher]

Originally posted by Marxon:

Originally posted by Warnoise:

I hope Primaris Marines won't be the new Matt Ward marines...

They already have better Stat Lines and originate from the Ultrasmurfs... We'll see what happens when the other Primarchs inevitably return I guess.

I love Dark Angels, and I also love the Fallen, both hold really good lore.

Dark Angels are the most knowledable chapter, only the top leaders know all the secrets, Cypher however acknoledged and left dark angels for a vararity of reasons.

Myself loving dark angels/cypher (the fallen) is basically a perfect Oxymoron.

[Cypher]

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

Originally posted by Orkiod Inquistor:

The Irony is that he has named himself after one of their most Infamous tratiors, Cyper the 'I can escape from anywhere without rhyme or reason'.

dont do spoilers, im currently reading dat book, where they appearently are going to let him go just like that. Atleast he said so to Azrael.

Awesome book, great read.

Cypher is a very... VERY interesting character. His reasoning for become a traitor is probably why Azrael allowed him free passing, as he knows (being a high ranking Dark Angel) the secrets that are left hidden to the entire chapter.

[Tossblade]

To the OP, for every grandiose tale of glory there is another Space Marine getting 1 shotted by a lascannon somewhere...think of all that you read as imperial propaganda to help balance the fluff discrepancies. Space Marine can survive anything and be kill by anything and that the only accurate way to describe their survivability..so designers of anything involving Space Marines have to pick a reference point and just go with it.

[Nocturn]

if you go by lore a single company could take a planet and thats only 100 marines and supporting vehicles