To Everyone complaining the Space Marines are not Fluff-Friendly

[DJLOGAN]

While I have not got the game yet, I have seen SOOOOO many people complaining 'space marines are super weak compared to the fluff so I decided to point out something.
A lone space marine in the lore;
A lone space marine sees some orks and they charge. There is about 15 of them about 60m away and they see him and charge. The space marine kills most of them with his bolter and the few orks get within melee range are torn apart by the space marines power-armoured fists be fore they can land any blows. THen some Shoota Boys, about 20 of them, see him and lauch a massive firestorm at him. The space marine barely notices the shots and buthchers them with his bolter. Then 5 ork nobs come and rush him down, even then the massive orks lose 2 of thier own and another is blown of his feet. The orks then come to blows with him their massive axes hacking away at his armour. he loses an arm but just beats one of the orks to death with it and the other ork has a hole ripped in his chest, killing it, but not before it knocks the space marine out. Then an Apothocarie comes and heals the space marine and gives him a new biounic arm and his is back fight a couple ours later.
Hope that clears up why they are not Fluff firnedly in the game.

[StankyChicken]

Guys... Lore and gameplay are completely seperate entities. You can't have balanced game if the gameplay was too obsessed with the lore. Simply put the game is trying to imitate tabletop as everything on tabletop can be killed quite easily (Unless you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ necrons or Eldar scumbag cheesefest.) Lore itself is very flimsy giving mutiple examples of certain topics and contradicting itself repeatedly. It's because there's a ton of authors and alot of them don't even collaborate and just go ♥♥♥♥ that guy this is my way. There's a rumour alot of the Horus Heresy lore is getting retconned for this very reason and if they retcon that they'll likely retcon alot of other things too which intitially sounds bad but it can be good. Alot of things have been poorly written and if they do get rid of these things let's hope they produce far superior material with a solid foundation for the lore that we can establish certain aspects of the 40th milienium.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

StankyChicken の投稿を引用：

Guys... You can't have balanced game if the gameplay was too obsessed with the lore.

The core word here is "too"

[Charlando[SunsOfStmChrts]]

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

StankyChicken の投稿を引用：

Guys... You can't have balanced game if the gameplay was too obsessed with the lore.

The core word here is "too"

Obsessed would suffice.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Charlando-SHL-WKotE(Commander) の投稿を引用：

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

The core word here is "too"

Obsessed would suffice.

Well now, commander, how's your loser-squad doing? Seems like the game's dying?
Muahahaha.
You believe this pathetic patch will save you? Naive fools. I have done all i can to show you the way of truth.

[Charlando[SunsOfStmChrts]]

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

Charlando-SHL-WKotE(Commander) の投稿を引用：

Obsessed would suffice.

Well now, commander, how's your loser-squad doing? Seems like the game's dying?
Muahahaha.
You believe this pathetic patch will save you? Naive fools. I have done all i can to show you the way of truth.

Finally, someone has acknowledged that I'm the commander!

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Charlando-SHL-WKotE(Commander) の投稿を引用：

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

Well now, commander, how's your loser-squad doing? Seems like the game's dying?
Muahahaha.
You believe this pathetic patch will save you? Naive fools. I have done all i can to show you the way of truth.

Finally, someone has acknowledged that I'm the commander!

Obviously. You are coordinating the white knight forces on this forum. You might even have a direct connection to Boulle himself.

[StankyChicken]

Charlando-SHL-WKotE(Commander) の投稿を引用：

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

The core word here is "too"

Obsessed would suffice.

Am I missing out on something here? What are you two talking about?

[Cypher]

I get you are trying to be really lore intensive, but its a game. That alone should stop this wasteful comment instantly.

I'm sorry but your overrefined space marine representation is by far retarded and within a gaming scenario will be practically stupid if not totally inconvenient within a strategy game.

Lets give you some real LORE facts,

An orc, has the capability and strength to tear a space marine apart, although Orks are 'dumb creatures' and do not understand that their links between armour are space marines weakest points.

If you want a 'lore re framed' space marine game - play space hulk : death-wing, which in my opinion is one of the most accurate 'WH40K lore games to date', as deathwing terminators are not only the first chapter - but also the strongest terminators in the known 40K universe (Excluding grey knights - as they are... very different to 'terminators').

Basically, quite whining. This is not WH40K table top game lore, this is a game end of story.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Cypher の投稿を引用：

Basically, quite whining. This is not a WH40K game, this is just a game end of story.

Corrected it for you.

[8-The-General-8]

Ledha の投稿を引用：

The "official lore" is full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the marines power level. Before, 1 space marine was as strong as 10 soldiers. Now, 3 spaces marines can conquer a planet. It's ridiculous

Yeah, like the serious lack of features and OP elite units in this game.

GW really stuffed the original core of lore for SM.

Just wait until they start releasing DLC for Elite units. Then the game will just be totally ridiculous.

And as stated above, Deathwing Terminators are the real essence of SM lore and what SM are really about. The short story by William King is still a favourite of mine to this day. It encapsulated everything 40K was about. Then GW took the OP model path and my interest for the TT game at least but not the genre, quickly faded.

Just as the featureless current update for this game has faded my interest in this game to 0.

As stated before, Relic is notorious for imbalancing units the first few patches which is acceptable I suppose, however, ignoring essential features for the game such as a proper zoom and better campaign play just makes me want to play UA mod instead.

I truly hope the next patch addresses some things that have been gone over many times before.

[Charlando[SunsOfStmChrts]]

8-The-General-8 の投稿を引用：

Ledha の投稿を引用：

The "official lore" is full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the marines power level. Before, 1 space marine was as strong as 10 soldiers. Now, 3 spaces marines can conquer a planet. It's ridiculous

Yeah, like the serious lack of features and OP elite units in this game.

GW really stuffed the original core of lore for SM.

Just wait until they start releasing DLC for Elite units. Then the game will just be totally ridiculous.

And as stated above, Deathwing Terminators are the real essence of SM lore and what SM are really about. The short story by William King is still a favourite of mine to this day. It encapsulated everything 40K was about. Then GW took the OP model path and my interest for the TT game at least but not the genre, quickly faded.

Just as the featureless current update for this game has faded my interest in this game to 0.

As stated before, Relic is notorious for imbalancing units the first few patches which is acceptable I suppose, however, ignoring essential features for the game such as a proper zoom and better campaign play just makes me want to play UA mod instead.

I truly hope the next patch addresses some things that have been gone over many times before.

Do genestealers one-shot terminators in the lore?

[Dude]

I find it funny that some so called 'experts' on Lore claim that Space Marines can conquer planets. This was true during the unification wars when they where organized into Legions numbering from 10.000 to 250.000 Marines each. After the Horus Heresy the Emperor decided that each legion would be divided into Chapters numbering around 1.000 Marines which is the current organisation.

A Chapter would NEVER be able to conquer a planet with a sizable hostile force occupying it, the only force in the Imperium that can accomplish that are the Imperial Guard. What a Chapter can do however is to tip the balance in the stalemate that often occurs when the Imperial Guard invades or defends a planet.

[Mr. Flibble]

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

Mr. Havok の投稿を引用：

Plot armor beats power armor any day of the week folks! The best balance would be to get it as close to table top no? Stat for stat, etc etc. ?

Tell this to Charlando. He thinks dow 3 is as unfriendly to lore as Tabletop.

Correct me if I am wrong, but 40k is TT. The whole point of making 40k lore was to boost TT.
So if anything, the best balance (even though TT has it's moments.) would be to follow TT for stats, army make up, etc. Sure, might have to change some things around to get it to work in an RTS style, but TT's stats are there as a start.

The lore is just fluff added to make TT pretty. So you can pretend you're a space marine, fighting back the chaos around you. ;)

edit: Also makes for a good read. But I would never try to balance a game around lore.

[jonoliveira12]

Mr. Havok の投稿を引用：

✳Sindri Myr✳ の投稿を引用：

Tell this to Charlando. He thinks dow 3 is as unfriendly to lore as Tabletop.

Correct me if I am wrong, but 40k is TT. The whole point of making 40k lore was to boost TT.
So if anything, the best balance (even though TT has it's moments.) would be to follow TT for stats, army make up, etc. Sure, might have to change some things around to get it to work in an RTS style, but TT's stats are there as a start.

The lore is just fluff added to make TT pretty. So you can pretend you're a space marine, fighting back the chaos around you. ;)

edit: Also makes for a good read. But I would never try to balance a game around lore.

Tabletop is based around being Turn Based though. In Real Time, it would need very different rules.

[Marxon]

Only Mary Sue Marines or Matt Ward Mahreens (Ultrasmurfs) can accomplish the scenario you just mentioned, your belief that a single SM can take on a horde of Orks solo is woefully misplaced. Even in Dreadnought armour they'd struggle against overwhelming numbers.

If your going to come here on claim to understand anything about the lore please quote a reference point, otherwise your only ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the lore you proclaim to understand (Whch you don't).