more people have been banned from this discussion forum than actually played the game

[Mr. Man!]

really makes you think

[mhsiea]

New rule, video game characters must look like their voice actors. I guess we'll have to explain that to Jabba the Hutt, Darth Vader and the other aliens. Jame Earl Jones never was in the Vader suit and didn't play him out of the suit.
Also, you don't own the game on Steam. Have you played it elsewhere, or do you base your comments on what others say? Lastly, if you don't like something, speak for yourself. You don't represent all "gamers."

[Kingsleaze]

I got banned twice! But I also own the game. I didn't get banned for being a loser though, I got banned for calling out losers.

[Caileak]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnihilatoR:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Caileak:

You don't go into a bowling club and rant about bowling and how bad this activity is. People there don't want to hear your moaning. If you wish to rant about the game, do it elsewhere. Make your own YouTube video if that makes you happy.

Constructive feedback should, of course, be welcomed, and I trust it is. However, this "open speech" and "right to share my opinion" are not applicable everywhere, nor are players interested in hearing your complaints.

If you go to a bowling club for the first time to find out that the place lacks comfort, is dirty, without proper maintenance, you will complain about it and probably won't visit anymore until said problems are solved. Same with any game, even more if carries Star Wars name on it.[...]

Exactly! Except for: The players are not leaving but instead keep moaning about everything, even things that are a matter of taste. They even verbally attack other guests/players for enjoying the game and being positive about it.

In real life, the security staff would show such people the exit. In forums, mods are doing that. And I appreciate them for doing so. This hasn't anything to do with freedom of speech. Such people can go elsewhere and can keep moaning and ranting all day if they wish.

And yes, the game has issues, and I'm also reporting them myself. But I'm not turning into a Karen when doing so.

[AnihilatoR]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mhsiea:

New rule, video game characters must look like their voice actors. I guess we'll have to explain that to Jabba the Hutt, Darth Vader and the other aliens. Jame Earl Jones never was in the Vader suit and didn't play him out of the suit.
Also, you don't own the game on Steam. Have you played it elsewhere, or do you base your comments on what others say? Lastly, if you don't like something, speak for yourself. You don't represent all "gamers."

There's an actress called Humberly Gonzàles who was supposed to be Kay Vess, but the character was completely changed, it looks more like a man. The same, didn't apply to Cameron Monaghan who gives life to Cal Kestis in Jedi Fallen Order. Why you ignored this comparison? What you said does not make sense.

You know there's people who are not able to play games due to many reasons, even health issues, right?! What you just said seems quite offensive, since I do know people who didn't liked the game but enjoy watching others playing. Everyone has the right to have an opinion. Watch what you say, that wasn't cool, ok?!

All I said is a overview in the gaming community, myself included, don't see why to point that out.

[Wright1331]

maybe because it is a ♥♥♥♥ game made by a ♥♥♥♥ publisher

[AnihilatoR]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Caileak:

Exactly! Except for: The players are not leaving but instead keep moaning about everything, even things that are a matter of taste. They even verbally attack other guests/players for enjoying the game and being positive about it.

In real life, the security staff would show such people the exit. In forums, mods are doing that. And I appreciate them for doing so. This hasn't anything to do with freedom of speech. Such people can go elsewhere and can keep moaning and ranting all day if they wish.

And yes, the game has issues, and I'm also reporting them myself. But I'm not turning into a Karen when doing so.

Players are not leaving, yeah, many didn't bothered to get there anyway, watch the sales numbers on steam. Game released with discount and still bad.

Now, I never said anything bad about others playing whatever they wanted, all my criticism is towards the game and bad decisions made by the developers. I'll never agree with badmouthing other players, regardless of their tastes in game.

On the other hand, I'm from an era in which players had feuds with their preferences like Sonic or Mario, King of Fighter or Street Fighter, Need for Speed or Gran Turismo. The worst disputes was between players of FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer, but that never stoped people to enjoy and play their games.

The internet wasn't a thing for many years, in gaming arcades, video game rentals stores and later in lan houses, we had disputes to which game was the best and worst. Now is all about "safe space" and "I do not feel comfortable with others opinions", wtf is wrong with the world?! Just because someone disagrees doesn't meant to be offensive, it is their preference! We're talking about games!

Gamers should not take to their hearts if someone dislike their tastes, should care only in having fun. It's pointless to discuss.

[Triggerd_Noob]

Makes me think this post should also be banned for adding nothing to the forum except more disinformation.

[mhsiea]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnihilatoR:

Diposting pertama kali oleh mhsiea:

New rule, video game characters must look like their voice actors. I guess we'll have to explain that to Jabba the Hutt, Darth Vader and the other aliens. Jame Earl Jones never was in the Vader suit and didn't play him out of the suit.
Also, you don't own the game on Steam. Have you played it elsewhere, or do you base your comments on what others say? Lastly, if you don't like something, speak for yourself. You don't represent all "gamers."

There's an actress called Humberly Gonzàles who was supposed to be Kay Vess, but the character was completely changed, it looks more like a man. The same, didn't apply to Cameron Monaghan who gives life to Cal Kestis in Jedi Fallen Order. Why you ignored this comparison? What you said does not make sense.

You know there's people who are not able to play games due to many reasons, even health issues, right?! What you just said seems quite offensive, since I do know people who didn't liked the game but enjoy watching others playing. Everyone has the right to have an opinion. Watch what you say, that wasn't cool, ok?!

All I said is a overview in the gaming community, myself included, don't see why to point that out.

You have a right to an opinion and I have a right to disagree with you. You seem to have an issue with that. Why do you think that the main character needs to look like the voice actor? Many games don't do it that way.

Jennifer Hale voiced the female version of Commander Shepherd in Mass Effect, but the stock character looks nothing like her. Ms. Hale also voices Bastilia Shan in KOTOR, who also looks nothing like her. There is simply nothing unusual about not having a character look like the voice actor. It's more unusual when they do look like the actor.

You're awfully sensitive but you have no problem saying that the character looks like a man. Just saying that doesn't make it true. To me, and I think most objective people, she looks like a normal person.

Kay is supposed to be tough, she's a thief, and also a killer. She isn't supposed to be there to be a femme fatale. She doesn't use looks to get her way, so why is it such a big issue

[AnihilatoR]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mhsiea:

You have a right to an opinion and I have a right to disagree with you. You seem to have an issue with that. Why do you think that the main character needs to look like the voice actor? Many games don't do it that way.

Jennifer Hale voiced the female version of Commander Shepherd in Mass Effect, but the stock character looks nothing like her. Ms. Hale also voices Bastilia Shan in KOTOR, who also looks nothing like her. There is simply nothing unusual about not having a character look like the voice actor. It's more unusual when they do look like the actor.

You're awfully sensitive but you have no problem saying that the character looks like a man. Just saying that doesn't make it true. To me, and I think most objective people, she looks like a normal person.

Kay is supposed to be tough, she's a thief, and also a killer. She isn't supposed to be there to be a femme fatale. She doesn't use looks to get her way, so why is it such a big issue

Funny you talking about Mass Effect in which you can customize the main character. Remember Miranda Lawson? Yvonne Strahovski dubed and give her image and was a good side character there, loved by most.

I don't get it these excuses about a time when games had not the same graphics power we have today but still done a good job portraying actors, and now that's not a thing anymore, which is quite odd, huh?!

Kay is a failed incompetent thief who's relying mostly on Nix which to me, is the only one carrying the game, she would be nothing without him. Nix is the best!

The game looks less like early access since some things got solved, but there's still many weak points that I hope be adressed later on by DLC or mod community, hopefuly!

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Most people don't even own the game

[Caileak]

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnihilatoR:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Caileak:

Exactly! Except for: The players are not leaving but instead keep moaning about everything, even things that are a matter of taste. They even verbally attack other guests/players for enjoying the game and being positive about it.

In real life, the security staff would show such people the exit. In forums, mods are doing that. And I appreciate them for doing so. This hasn't anything to do with freedom of speech. Such people can go elsewhere and can keep moaning and ranting all day if they wish.

And yes, the game has issues, and I'm also reporting them myself. But I'm not turning into a Karen when doing so.

[...] Now is all about "safe space" and "I do not feel comfortable with others opinions", wtf is wrong with the world?! Just because someone disagrees doesn't meant to be offensive, it is their preference! We're talking about games!

Gamers should not take to their hearts if someone dislike their tastes, should care only in having fun. It's pointless to discuss.

This is not about a "safe space". This is about an atmosphere for the people who are interested in this game. Look, this is the type of people nobody needs:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wright1331:

maybe because it is a ♥♥♥♥ game made by a ♥♥♥♥ publisher

This guy adds nothing to the conversation, uses the slurs, and is even off-topic. He deserves a warning and should get kicked out if he doesn't change his attitude.

We're talking about games. If you don't like it, don't buy it and move on. Leave a bad review if you feel like it. But don't stay and act like a Karen because the protagonist doesn't match your taste. The devs are unlikely to change that for you.

I didn't like the look and feel of Mass Effect. Hence, I didn't play the game and moved on. There are so many other games out there...

[Lichbane]

Gamergate isn't dead. It has just been hiding under a rock. Those idiots are proof of it.

One even proclaimed himself a "proud gatekeeper". WTF?

[Lichbane]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cat:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bloodartist:

I assume they were people complaining about game being woke or complaining about Ubisoft without actually owning the game.

Which is why the game has lower player count.

Of maybe, the people who wanted it from the beginning just bought it on Epic or Ubisoft. Steam isn't the be-all-and-end-all of gaming. While I have most of my games here on Steam, I have plenty of others elsewhere.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lichbane:

Gamergate isn't dead. It has just been hiding under a rock. Those idiots are proof of it.

One even proclaimed himself a "proud gatekeeper". WTF?

*looks at date*
Yeah... that's nice

[wbino]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mhsiea:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AnihilatoR:

If you go to a bowling club for the first time to find out that the place lacks comfort, is dirty, without proper maintenance, you will complain about it and probably won't visit anymore until said problems are solved. Same with any game, even more if carries Star Wars name on it.

There's no bad feedback, if people rants, dislikes and complains about things they see in a game of their intereste, surely should say what they think about it, so developers learn not to make the same mistakes. It's not about freedom of speech but consumers opinions. The complaint about Kay's uglyness is just one of those, not the worst for me, but I do think it was disrespectul towards the actress. The cosmetic industry thrives because most women want to be pretty, that's a fact.

Though we know that whats being done is just a political agenda so that a pretty actress is turned ugly, like a man! But fine by me if anyone want's to play with her, is the least of the issues. The game has many other problems besides a ugly and boring main character, Nix is charismatic and carries the game, unlike her!

In the end, most gamers don't want this kind of stuf in their games, we only care about having fun, not this kind of crap, and will probably complain until this behavior is erased from gaming industry!

Who are the "gamers" that appointed you and the people who agree with you to be their representatives? You are the one pushing a political agenda.

Apparently, you think that Kay is ugly. That is an opinion that not everyone agrees with and its not a matter of politics. I wasn't even thinking about her looks until I read a few posts like this one.

She looks like a normal person to me. Also, I'm sure that the voice actress isn't stressing over it and doesn't need your protection.

If you don''t like this game, don't buy or play it . Your Steam ID shows you don't own it but you feel that you know enough to tell the rest of us what we're allowed to like. You're the one with the agenda. The rest of us are just playing the latest Star Wars game, even if it's not perfect.

By the way, most of the problems that people were complaining about prior to the patch seem to be corrected, but I doubt you care.

She is weird looking and I sure if Ubisoft could of seen the blow back they would of given the main character a makeover or be able to create a custom character which she should of been from the start.
It's a video game...not a movie...people like to customize their character.