Why can't we revert to older updates?

[gyrotim]

One thing I've always hated about steam that they force us to update these games. If a developer makes a broken update and doesn't bother fixing it then everyone will simply be stuck with it unless they only use the offline version of steam. I hate the direction this game is going, for every good thing they add they add twice as many flaws/bugs.

[Nikiforos]

True it's not this game but multiple ones on Steam. Once you update there is no way back, that is one of the most negative things with Steam.

[gyrotim]

Messaggio originale di Nikiforos:

True it's not this game but multiple ones on Steam. Once you update there is no way back, that is one of the most negative things with Steam.

I'm surprised more people don't complain about it, it's utterly stupid that we're forced to update when it could break the game entirely like it did in our case.

[Madest_Max]

Messaggio originale di gyrotim:

Messaggio originale di Nikiforos:

True it's not this game but multiple ones on Steam. Once you update there is no way back, that is one of the most negative things with Steam.

I'm surprised more people don't complain about it, it's utterly stupid that we're forced to update when it could break the game entirely like it did in our case.

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

[gyrotim]

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Messaggio originale di gyrotim:

I'm surprised more people don't complain about it, it's utterly stupid that we're forced to update when it could break the game entirely like it did in our case.

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

Guess i'm just inherently unlucky then.

[Jaidensky]

A combination of high complexity and small dev team really don’t mix great for bug fixing, and usually some people encounter game-breaking bugs on update days. Fortunately, most people are fine and they fix the bugs quickly, but part of being in EA means we will most likely help with bugs (especially for a game as complex as this.)

[A Fat, Angry Serval]

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Messaggio originale di gyrotim:

I'm surprised more people don't complain about it, it's utterly stupid that we're forced to update when it could break the game entirely like it did in our case.

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

[Jaidensky]

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

Like most post-update game-breaking beamng bugs, it probably doesn’t happen for most people. Granted, we can’t know for sure, but it is safe to assume the same for this.

[A Fat, Angry Serval]

Messaggio originale di Jaidensky:

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

Like most post-update game-breaking beamng bugs, it probably doesn’t happen for most people. Granted, we can’t know for sure, but it is safe to assume the same for this.

You do realize that a majority of the posts on this forum since the update came out are complaints about things being broken and a lot of them mention the exact same issues, right? So either they're making it up (extremely unlikely with how many people are complaining) or there's a legitimate issue. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make those complaints disappear.

[Madest_Max]

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Breaking the game entirely? It works completely fine for me lol

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

More like people complaining because apparently they are too incompetent to fix their issues.

[Jaidensky]

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Jaidensky:

Like most post-update game-breaking beamng bugs, it probably doesn’t happen for most people. Granted, we can’t know for sure, but it is safe to assume the same for this.

You do realize that a majority of the posts on this forum since the update came out are complaints about things being broken and a lot of them mention the exact same issues, right? So either they're making it up (extremely unlikely with how many people are complaining) or there's a legitimate issue. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make those complaints disappear.

I’m not saying it’s not an issue, nor am I saying they shouldn’t fix it. However, it probably isn’t an issue for the majority of people. The reason you only see the posts talking about the issues, is because the people who don’t have issues aren’t going to post a discussion saying the update is working and perfectly fine, as that is the expected norm and therefore would do nothing but waste energy and cause clutter. Plus, the ones that do get posted end up with less comments as they tend to be less controversial and therefore get kicked off the top page.

[A Fat, Angry Serval]

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

We've already been over this. Stop acting like the fact that you're one of the few people who aren't having issues with the new update means there's no issue.

More like people complaining because apparently they are too incompetent to fix their issues.

Let's apply Occam's Razor here. Either you just lucked out or a majority of people are incompetent.
1. You lucking out simply requires you to have a system setup that is favorable to the new update. That doesn't necessarily mean better performing - it's possible that the update introduced something that works well on one particular brand or model line of hardware but not others. It's pure random chance and the odds aren't exactly that unlikely as it's happened before with a LOT of games.
2. Everyone else being incompetent requires you to be above a certain level of competence that a vast majority of the player base isn't. This is an EXTREMELY large assumption to make, and by definition is very unlikely.
Occam's Razor dictates that, in an absence of sufficient evidence of another possibility, the most likely reason is the one that requires the fewest and smallest assumptions. As a result, possibility 1, "you just lucked out", is the possibility that is supported by Occam's Razor. Sorry, but you're not some hyper-competent computing genius.

Of course, there's also the possibility that something else is going on behind the scenes here, but all I'll say is that I have my suspicions.

[Madest_Max]

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

More like people complaining because apparently they are too incompetent to fix their issues.

Let's apply Occam's Razor here. Either you just lucked out or a majority of people are incompetent.
1. You lucking out simply requires you to have a system setup that is favorable to the new update. That doesn't necessarily mean better performing - it's possible that the update introduced something that works well on one particular brand or model line of hardware but not others. It's pure random chance and the odds aren't exactly that unlikely as it's happened before with a LOT of games.
2. Everyone else being incompetent requires you to be above a certain level of competence that a vast majority of the player base isn't. This is an EXTREMELY large assumption to make, and by definition is very unlikely.
Occam's Razor dictates that, in an absence of sufficient evidence of another possibility, the most likely reason is the one that requires the fewest and smallest assumptions. As a result, possibility 1, "you just lucked out", is the possibility that is supported by Occam's Razor. Sorry, but you're not some hyper-competent computing genius.

Of course, there's also the possibility that something else is going on behind the scenes here, but all I'll say is that I have my suspicions.

I mean, my entire PC setup was set up and is being maintained by a certified IT technician (not me) so I do believe what I'm saying here is applying in this case.

[A Fat, Angry Serval]

Messaggio originale di Jaidensky:

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

You do realize that a majority of the posts on this forum since the update came out are complaints about things being broken and a lot of them mention the exact same issues, right? So either they're making it up (extremely unlikely with how many people are complaining) or there's a legitimate issue. Sticking your head in the sand isn't going to make those complaints disappear.

I’m not saying it’s not an issue, nor am I saying they shouldn’t fix it. However, it probably isn’t an issue for the majority of people. The reason you only see the posts talking about the issues, is because the people who don’t have issues aren’t going to post a discussion saying the update is working and perfectly fine, as that is the expected norm and therefore would do nothing but waste energy and cause clutter. Plus, the ones that do get posted end up with less comments as they tend to be less controversial and therefore get kicked off the top page.

1. We can only go by what we see, so unless someone does a survey or something we have to go by activity.

2. While that's true that initial posts would only be made by people having issues, followup posts wouldn't necessarily follow suit. People who don't have problems might still want to give their own feedback. Perhaps they have some advice on how to fix or at least mitigate the issue, or perhaps they just want to be argumentative like Maddest_Max, but either way the comments on an initial post are going to give a more balanced view on the issue than just the initial posts themselves.

[Madest_Max]

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Messaggio originale di Jaidensky:

I’m not saying it’s not an issue, nor am I saying they shouldn’t fix it. However, it probably isn’t an issue for the majority of people. The reason you only see the posts talking about the issues, is because the people who don’t have issues aren’t going to post a discussion saying the update is working and perfectly fine, as that is the expected norm and therefore would do nothing but waste energy and cause clutter. Plus, the ones that do get posted end up with less comments as they tend to be less controversial and therefore get kicked off the top page.

1. We can only go by what we see, so unless someone does a survey or something we have to go by activity.

2. While that's true that initial posts would only be made by people having issues, followup posts wouldn't necessarily follow suit. People who don't have problems might still want to give their own feedback. Perhaps they have some advice on how to fix or at least mitigate the issue, or perhaps they just want to be argumentative like Maddest_Max, but either way the comments on an initial post are going to give a more balanced view on the issue than just the initial posts themselves.

I am obviously here to help and have no problem with that but people who constantly complain and even go as far as insulting the developers, are not people who I'm going to help

[A Fat, Angry Serval]

Messaggio originale di Madest_Max:

Messaggio originale di VestedGamr:

Let's apply Occam's Razor here. Either you just lucked out or a majority of people are incompetent.
1. You lucking out simply requires you to have a system setup that is favorable to the new update. That doesn't necessarily mean better performing - it's possible that the update introduced something that works well on one particular brand or model line of hardware but not others. It's pure random chance and the odds aren't exactly that unlikely as it's happened before with a LOT of games.
2. Everyone else being incompetent requires you to be above a certain level of competence that a vast majority of the player base isn't. This is an EXTREMELY large assumption to make, and by definition is very unlikely.
Occam's Razor dictates that, in an absence of sufficient evidence of another possibility, the most likely reason is the one that requires the fewest and smallest assumptions. As a result, possibility 1, "you just lucked out", is the possibility that is supported by Occam's Razor. Sorry, but you're not some hyper-competent computing genius.

Of course, there's also the possibility that something else is going on behind the scenes here, but all I'll say is that I have my suspicions.

I mean, my entire PC setup was set up and is being maintained by a certified IT technician (not me) so I do believe what I'm saying here is applying in this case.

I build my own computers as a hobby and I have several years of admittedly informal experience in software development, electronics design and robotics, so I do believe that what you're saying here is the equivalent of telling an F1 driver how to drive because you know someone who races Go-Karts.