Play as the Humans?

[RedRapture]

Can you play as the humans in this game? I'm getting tired of being shoehorned into playing the bad guys in these games when I really want to play as the humans and, ya know, work to save the species.

[withered]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Originally posted by Black Raven:

If you pay attention, Navi are bonded to the nature of the planet, humans mining is literally killing their own people because as nature dies so too does the Navi as they feel the pain.

So what your saying is its absolutely fine that some big cooperate company can happily come into your house and basically torture you, your family and your kids, just because they want something, and you be fine with that.

Makes sense don't it!

Mining doesn't necessarily kill nature. There are effective, efficient ways of mining that do little harm but they require an environment where natives aren't shooting ballista at you.

Also, your comparison is not what's happening here. Imagine you are living in a cave, having to go out and hunt for your food. Then some black dude comes along and tells you that there's a mineral that's underground that he wants to get, that he can get it without disturbing you if you'll leave him alone to dig a hole in the ground just down the mountain range from you, and that in exchange for you allowing him to mine in peace he can teach you how to grow your own plants to provide food and how to cultivate animal life so you never have to hunt for food again.

Then you attack him because he's black.

That's what happened on Pandora.

Play a game and stop making things up. Lore is obvious - you're not only wrong but lying to people.

[Black Hole]

I think it would have been very creative to be able to play as the humans, and have the option to either help your own people or help the Navi.

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by withered:

Play a game and stop making things up. Lore is obvious - you're not only wrong but lying to people.

Except I'm not. This is literally established lore.

[Black Raven]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Mining doesn't necessarily kill nature. There are effective, efficient ways of mining that do little harm

While thats true it not the case with the humans in this lore, as they still use the same strip mining that destroyed their own planet.

They still mine Unobtanium as the only source of power, and deliberately neglected renewable power sources which would of saved humanity and prevented the need to strip mine other planets.

They deliberately choked energy sources, so they could inflate the value of Unobtanium and get rich selling it, not for the good of humanity.

The humans dug theier own grave, then started digging the grave of others to compensate, instead of fixing the problem they created.

[withered]

RedRapture, its a story you have fabricated. All you say is that Na'vi started a war, sabotaged mining operations and what would you do if RDA's Hitler needed a little helper (piece about mass murder from Pandoras orbit). I don't know if you're joking, crazy or roleplay that much but official sources are not leaving things to imagination. I don't belive any of your claims. Official movies, games, comic books - there's lore to be found there. And its plain as day.

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by withered:

RedRapture, its a story you have fabricated. All you say is that Na'vi started a war, sabotaged mining operations and what would you do if RDA's Hitler needed a little helper (piece about mass murder from Pandoras orbit). I don't know if you're joking, crazy or roleplay that much but official sources are not leaving things to imagination. I don't belive any of your claims. Official movies, games, comic books - there's lore to be found there. And its plain as day.

Oh? So I'm Hitler now am I?

Yes, there are official movies, games, and comic books, and in the OFFICIAL GAME that came out right after the initial movie was released, which canonically took place two years BEFORE the movie's events, the RDA is very clearly ramping up its security presence on the planet because of Navi attacks. They tried, repeatedly, to reach out to the Navi to negotiate before the game but the Navi responded to each attempt with violence, prompting them to create the Avatars. Events in the game aside, this is VERY CLEARLY explained.

[withered]

A henchmen maybe, little helper. Once again you're missing the point. Na'vi finally responded. Why? Care to tell us about those few details you have deliberately missed? Why peaceful by nature society raised war banners against aliens from planet Earth?

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by Black Raven:

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Mining doesn't necessarily kill nature. There are effective, efficient ways of mining that do little harm

While thats true it not the case with the humans in this lore, as they still use the same strip mining that destroyed their own planet.

They still mine Unobtanium as the only source of power, and deliberately neglected renewable power sources which would of saved humanity and prevented the need to strip mine other planets.

They deliberately choked energy sources, so they could inflate the value of Unobtanium and get rich selling it, not for the good of humanity.

The humans dug theier own grave, then started digging the grave of others to compensate, instead of fixing the problem they created.

I can't believe I have to explain lore to you when you're trying to use lore to argue against my points but...

First, the mining vehicles and machinery are remotely piloted due to the possibility of the miners being attacked by the Navi en route to or from the site and on site. This restricts all mining possibilities to strip mining to allow the remote piloting of the vehicles and operation of the equipment.

Second, Unobtainium itself is also not the source of power. Unobtainium is stated as a room temperature superconductor. The source of power humanity uses in universe is matter/antimatter reactors. The problem they face is power distribution, not power generation. Unobtainium is stated to be the only material that can safely conduct the power from the reactor to its various distribution nodes on Earth and in reactors on ships, and the only place it is available is Pandora. The power requirements of Earth are such that if they swapped back to coal, oil, or fission, there would not be enough power and billions will die.

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by withered:

A henchmen maybe, little helper. Once again you're missing the point. Na'vi finally responded. Why? Care to tell us about those few details you have deliberately missed? Why peaceful by nature society raised war banners against aliens from planet Earth?

By stating the Navi are 'peaceful by nature', you are displaying you do not know the lore of the Navi. No wonder you invoked Nazis, you don't know what you're talking about.

As I have stated, the Navi's first response to humans trying to open a dialogue with them was to attack them. These are not the actions of a 'peaceful by nature' race. The fact that they also routinely attacked human mining drones instead of avoiding them also says that they are not 'peaceful by nature' because were that true, their response to a threat would be to retreat from it instead of attack it.

[withered]

Blah, blah, blah. You're still beating around the bush. Constantly missing the point and not answering simple questions.
Peaceful by nature Na'vi pushed back. Why? Reasons for this war, reasons. If you don't have that then lets not waste time here.

[RedRapture]

You don't seem to understand what 'peaceful by nature' means. If they were 'peaceful by nature' then they would have negotiated with the humans instead of shooting arrows at them when they came in the first place. I'm not beating around the bush. I'm saying you don't know Avatar lore. Straight up, nothing but.

[Huntn]

Originally posted by Heimdall:

Yea gotta second this. If I don't get to kill the blue freakers whats the point? Stand up for humanity much?

Originally posted by xxman:

Yeah let us play the good guys for once.

You guys are funny. Sorry to tell you that not only is this an RPG, that the humans that are tearing up Pandora are the bad guys and this is focused on the Navi. Too bad there is no developer who has volunteered to spend the time to let you role play colonial pillaging in this environment...

[withered]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

You don't seem to understand what 'peaceful by nature' means. If they were 'peaceful by nature' then they would have negotiated with the humans instead of shooting arrows at them when they came in the first place. I'm not beating around the bush. I'm saying you don't know Avatar lore. Straight up, nothing but.

You have to be trolling. Or role-playing something. Let me tell you one last thing and lets leave it at that. Every problem has its roots.

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by withered:

Originally posted by RedRapture:

You don't seem to understand what 'peaceful by nature' means. If they were 'peaceful by nature' then they would have negotiated with the humans instead of shooting arrows at them when they came in the first place. I'm not beating around the bush. I'm saying you don't know Avatar lore. Straight up, nothing but.

You have to be trolling. Or role-playing something. Let me tell you one last thing and lets leave it at that. Every problem has its roots.

You're losing a debate so you first invoke Nazis and when that doesn't work you accuse the other side of trolling? You are right about one thing, every problem does have its roots. The Navi's human problem is because they attacked them when humans came to negotiate. Now they're finding out that humans are better at war than they are.

[Peppe_LePeu]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Originally posted by withered:

You have to be trolling. Or role-playing something. Let me tell you one last thing and lets leave it at that. Every problem has its roots.

You're losing a debate so you first invoke Nazis and when that doesn't work you accuse the other side of trolling? You are right about one thing, every problem does have its roots. The Navi's human problem is because they attacked them when humans came to negotiate. Now they're finding out that humans are better at war than they are.

you dont know avatar lore at all.

Humans didnt come to negotiate for ♥♥♥♥ they came to take.

The Navi only reacted after realizing that humans were destroying the forest and world that doesnt belong to them.

by your logic christopher columbus and the westward expansion, the trail of tears, etc are all the natives faults. us americans were peaceful by nature. or insert any other expansionist colonial arch through history.

The literal man that made the story has said that humanity in this story is in the wrong, that they are the villians and yet you are painting the humans as the victim. it seems you have put your own spin on it thinking its lore.

Also i dont know where you are getting that the Navi opened fire on them. The stated lore on the first interactions were that the navi and humans were initally peaceful.

They didnt even start war originally when the humans started mining which was taboo and illegal in navi culture.

relations didnt sour until 2142 when disease started. but even that didnt start war.

literally the fighting between navi and humans started 10 years after graces school was created after the RDA slaughtered some navi...

you are off in your own made up lore right now thinking the humans didnt start the issues.