Play as the Humans?

[RedRapture]

Can you play as the humans in this game? I'm getting tired of being shoehorned into playing the bad guys in these games when I really want to play as the humans and, ya know, work to save the species.

[withered]

To play as human is the most sensible thing in my opinion. Because that opens all the options that currently are nowhere to be seen. To be whatever one desires, with all the hard choices, all the drama. The Na'vi can only fight or die - its that simple in their case.
The grand problem: what does humanity has to offer to the universe other than its nature? And we all know what kind of monstrosity is it, don't we?

[HarnessedYeti]

Good point. Pandora needs to be "liberated" from Navi tyranny! Go RDA!

[Black Raven]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

If you pay attention, Navi are bonded to the nature of the planet, humans mining is literally killing their own people because as nature dies so too does the Navi as they feel the pain.

So what your saying is its absolutely fine that some big cooperate company can happily come into your house and basically torture you, your family and your kids, just because they want something, and you be fine with that.

Makes sense don't it!

[Cerberus]

No you can't play as the good guys.

[mommy]

i get it youre racist

[mommy]

Originally posted by Cerberus:

No you can't play as the good guys.

you are disgusting.

[Calso]

Originally posted by Mezz:

there was actually an old avatar game where you could choose the humans or na'vi

Yip. That was the original Avatar game on steam, too bad you can't buy it anymore and I had it on CD but never bought it on steam. The first part of the game you played as RDA then about an hour or so in you got to choose if you want to stay human or be Na'vi. Was actually a good game too, wish they would put it back on steam.

[EN]

Originally posted by Black Raven:

Originally posted by RedRapture:

If you pay attention, Navi are bonded to the nature of the planet, humans mining is literally killing their own people because as nature dies so too does the Navi as they feel the pain.

So what your saying is its absolutely fine that some big cooperate company can happily come into your house and basically torture you, your family and your kids, just because they want something, and you be fine with that.

Makes sense don't it!

You are making the silly mistake of thinking the xenos are people and deserve rights when the survival of humanity is at stake. Purge them all.

[Powellinho.72]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwHb189X84

[Commander Hitman2b]

there an old avatar game where you can choose between navi or humans

[withered]

Terrible it was. Sure it was back then, but still. One big meat grinder.

[Tin]

Originally posted by linux_gooner:

Originally posted by Cerberus:

No you can't play as the good guys.

you are disgusting.

You identify as a rage-bait gooner, interested in certain demographics we cannot speak of. This is exactly why you are banned from this discussion. You are a parasite

[RedRapture]

Originally posted by Black Raven:

Originally posted by RedRapture:

If you pay attention, Navi are bonded to the nature of the planet, humans mining is literally killing their own people because as nature dies so too does the Navi as they feel the pain.

So what your saying is its absolutely fine that some big cooperate company can happily come into your house and basically torture you, your family and your kids, just because they want something, and you be fine with that.

Makes sense don't it!

Mining doesn't necessarily kill nature. There are effective, efficient ways of mining that do little harm but they require an environment where natives aren't shooting ballista at you.

Also, your comparison is not what's happening here. Imagine you are living in a cave, having to go out and hunt for your food. Then some black dude comes along and tells you that there's a mineral that's underground that he wants to get, that he can get it without disturbing you if you'll leave him alone to dig a hole in the ground just down the mountain range from you, and that in exchange for you allowing him to mine in peace he can teach you how to grow your own plants to provide food and how to cultivate animal life so you never have to hunt for food again.

Then you attack him because he's black.

That's what happened on Pandora.

[Peppe_LePeu]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Originally posted by Thomas Andresen:

The choice in that game is really only about when the protagonist joins the fight against the RDA. When you decide to trust your mentor in the Avatar program regarding why the Na'vi started attacking RDA operations, or when you discover the evidence for yourself that RDA is doing terrible things to Pandora. There's a very big "oh ♥♥♥♥" moment when the protagonist discovers what their boss is actually doing only after deciding to trust him over the natives.

And the Na'vi did strike first, but only as a result of not just severe damage done to the ecosystem but also a potential threat against the entity known as Eywa. The worst was yet to come, and in the planning long before the Na'vi struck; the protagonist discovers, on either story path, RDA's plan to "hijack" Eywa, but the means to do so would instead destroy Eywa. This project turns out to be the very reason that the protagonist's transfer to Pandora was fast-tracked. The final mission, Hell's Gate, is always about stopping that project.

So sure, the game gives you that choice, but at the same time, it goes out of its way to tell you what an absolute fool you were to not trust the blue guys. RDA being the bad guys from the very start is not at all ambiguous. At best they were acting with reckless disregard for the consequences of what they were doing on Pandora, but only at first.

Funny, I remember playing it all the way through as loyal to the RDA.

Still, killing Eywa, a malevolent hive mind entity, will only benefit the Navi in the long run. It'll allow the Navi to thrive and grow rather than being routinely culled. Maybe with the being out of the way, humans could actually do good for the Navi. Imagine the change to Navi life if agriculture were to be introduced to them. The culture of warriors and hunters being what every Navi wants to be can be changed to allow for, well, everything a society needs to get out of hunter/gatherer territory and into being an actual society.

But, at the end of the day, it is made *very* clear that without the rock that the RDA harvests from Pandora, humanity is toast. With that being the case, I will always, always, *always* side with the RDA. If it's a question of which species goes extinct, I will always side with keeping humanity alive, as should you.

Course, I would have also done things very differently from how the RDA was doing things. I would have put satellites in orbit with kinetic rod impactors on them and given the Navi one chance to play nice. When they inevitably failed doing that, I would have systematically destroyed every Navi village on the planet with rod drops from orbit.

apparently you are missing the back story for the rda too...

Unubtanium is a mineral the RDA use for energy production while actively suppressing other forms of energy from being developed on earth. There isnt an extinction level even waiting for humanity if it cannot farm it. There might be a going out of power event for the RDA however.

They are farming this at the expense of the Navi and Pandora as a whole. Eywa isnt malevolant and the Navi are a culture build upon balance. There isnt examples of Navi being culled by Navi as far as i can find in the lore. The only time Eywa intervenes at all throughout the story is when she helps the Navi purge the planet of the RDA that are destroying it.

The story, and the writer of it, were very clear on the RDA being the bad guys and the story as a whole being a play on the past atrocities of humanity where we purged cultures and peoples we didnt like or were in the way of resources we wanted.

Your final statement makes clear though that you relish being the bad guy so i dont think you would care that you were in fact the evil one in the story.

[Peppe_LePeu]

Originally posted by RedRapture:

Originally posted by Black Raven:

If you pay attention, Navi are bonded to the nature of the planet, humans mining is literally killing their own people because as nature dies so too does the Navi as they feel the pain.

So what your saying is its absolutely fine that some big cooperate company can happily come into your house and basically torture you, your family and your kids, just because they want something, and you be fine with that.

Makes sense don't it!

Mining doesn't necessarily kill nature. There are effective, efficient ways of mining that do little harm but they require an environment where natives aren't shooting ballista at you.

Also, your comparison is not what's happening here. Imagine you are living in a cave, having to go out and hunt for your food. Then some black dude comes along and tells you that there's a mineral that's underground that he wants to get, that he can get it without disturbing you if you'll leave him alone to dig a hole in the ground just down the mountain range from you, and that in exchange for you allowing him to mine in peace he can teach you how to grow your own plants to provide food and how to cultivate animal life so you never have to hunt for food again.

Then you attack him because he's black.

That's what happened on Pandora.

more like you live in a cave that has been your home for 1000's of years, that has deep cultural and spiritaul meaning for you and the man comes up telling you to get lost this is my ♥♥♥♥ now and im taking it... and then being shocked when the people fight back...