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Game looks good but it's not really optimized for scalability with hardware.
I'm also refusing to get newer hardware for many reasons.
196GB or Below
Only 4 DIMMs working at around 7200, instead of my 8 at 3200-4200
6.2GHz CPUs but only 1-2 PCI-E bays instead of 4-5 and some boards having 8.
So desperate for any help as nothing driver level seems to respond with the game which I've never come across before unless DX12 only titles don't support a lot of the options of Nvidia GPUs
SLI isn't even fully dead, have you not seen Nvidia spines and it still performing on cards like the RTX8000
The fact that a second GPU can get me 80% on avarage more performance for maybe 4x cheaper then going with a single brand new GPU that suffers in similar aspects.
4 GPUS can scale VRAM in AI and Render applications
Got a new single GPU, welp guess your stuck till they upgrade the vRAM capacity or perhaps get one of those fancy 6000-12000 GPUs that run slower then what they are based on each but have a ton more VRAM and bandwidth. Even if your application supports layering like Blender and AI, on newer CPU's you haven't even got the lanes for the number of GPUs or having many peripherals. Been researching and waiting for 3-5 years now for things to change with Intel and AMD. 10980XE was the last good consumer level GPU.
Would rather have 4x1080 12GB for 48GB then buy a single new GPU and struggle with the money, CPUs cooking themselves and poor implementation of IPO that Intel has let us down on by making things over complicated.
AMD once had a motherboard that supported 12 DIMM slots, imagine the channeling on that, we've given up multiplication for raw speed, sure thats slightly more stable and has a future, but I still feel that future is in multiplication.
Put two engines of the same time into a loop and yes more chance of failure but also greater use while its active. Stability takes a hit but it still gives access to far higher horizons. Considering I can even run the game on a 1080 in 4K is astonishing enough even at 30-40FPS I would say after leaving the first area. But a 4090 is estimated at £1654, imagine just buying 4 £256 cards and having pooled memory which was the direction the RTX2080 series at least when I got them was meant to be going with NVLink before the plug was pulled. You would lose the ray-tracing cores but thats what you get when upgrade a GPU, today we live in a throw away culture where if your GPU isn't good enough and you sell it on, someone else can't even buy that to place a second one in their machine, that card is forever stuck being useless due to its lack of scalability outside rendering, AI and a few other operations.
Plus newer GPUs are actively being bottle necked in power on Nvidas end, so they can't even be overclocked like my old GTX200 series card could do and is still able to play Team Fortress 2 and Planetside 2 which to me is impressive considering they are still updating. Haven't tried much else on through in a long time just wanted to mess with it and see if it still ran and held its clocks
Also rather stick to a 10980 than move to later CPU's. Less cores, poor software and when I type in half of the new laptops the first suggestions are them overheating xD
Rather stick with 256GB of RAM for AI training and not have to pay for a fancy server motherboard that can handle 8 PCI lanes but then have to pay crazy money like 5000-12000 x 8 just to make up the VRAM. Would certainly make training faster but honestly scalability again is awful for the consumer level.
My laptop will happily get 100-80 usage on both GPU's
Considering besides raytracing a 1080 is faster then my friends 3060 and I have two GPU's I feel I'm still able to play modern games with my laptop display set to 100Hz.
SLI was huge on scalability, 60-80% performance per GPU is staggering compared to waiting years for another Nvidia release.
But in basic scalability is the idea of being able to build on and on to something to me. So with the new GPUs not supporting SLI and with the newer boards not supporting more then 1-2 PCI-E slots and often times haven't to shut off M.2 bays just to achieve it is honestly crippling to scalability to me.
You wanna run City Skylines 2? Well sometimes it will be jumping from 6,2GHz down to 4.2GHz slower then my laptop even with the architecture changes xD
AMD has never been great at single thread, they have only recently been putting in a good effort to climb that tree, multi-coring they were always the best at, but if you have more then 12 cores, whats the point as games won't really use that many cores and you only need 4 for the rest of your applications to chill on.
Ones trying to be too complicated (Intel) the other using Kiss too much (Keep it simple stupid) Which means while all cores run the same they all run slower.
Waiting for all that mess to settle down and the dust to clear on the new technology. As years ago we basically branched onto a whole new layer of technology meaning everything is awful and got to wait for that to settle.
Also my laptop has a cooling system so robust that I basically crushed the poor GT600 laptop cooler and had to send it back because of how large my laptop was and the fact it gave my laptop less airflow when the fans were off, also the vent stuck out the back if I used their support brackets at the max setting, couldn't even handle the height of my laptop without the clips being in the absolute one away from coming out position xD
I'm very happy with my laptop, just want games to support mechanics that are not too hard to setup, considering I setup SLI compatability bits for HellDivers 2 which netted me almost a 60-80% performance boost depending on where I am in the game.
You don’t have to shut off M2’s
There’s zero performance drop with a Gen 4 -or 5 RTX 4090 running x16 halved to x8 with an M2 running off, for eg, a 13th gen CPU nearest the CPU @x8 (I have an i5-13400f 10 core 16 thread (6 performance cores) Gen 5)
The only hardware affected by M2 slots in lower bays is SSDs due to the controller running off the chipset ie Z790.
One will knockout SATA1 for eg on my board if I use M2 slot 4 if I stick it in 2 or 3 it will run off the controllers chipset. M2 uses the cpu lanes and halves the PCI-e. But there’s like 0.5% performance difference on a Gen 4 or 5 card.
There’s enough testing out there.
I have a Corsair MP600 Pro NH Gen 4 PCIe x4 M2 NVMe SSD running alongside and RTX 4060 TI. On an MSI MAG Tomahawk WI-FI Z790 with Corsair vengeance DDR5 4800
I tried the MP600 in M2 1 on the CPU/PCIe shared lanes and then on M2 4 chipset controller. There was like 1 or 2 fps difference and the MP600 still boots into my OS lightning quick. I have a Crucial M500 SSD for quality fast gaming and WD Black running standard games.
There’s no performance drop.
I run avatar at 120fps vsync at 1440 (my monitor res) I build my own PCs.
Here
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4090-and-core-i9-13900k-pcie-scaling-test-shows-2-difference-between-x16-and-x8-modes
What resolution is that at? I had to mess with compatibility bits as if I disabled the second GPU it runs at 30-40FPS max settings
Ah your coming from this from a modern perspective, I am referring to how if you were to have multiple PCIE lanes you would have to start shutting them off.
If you managed to find a mobo that did support more then 2 PCIE lanes and halved the bandwidth to 8x, than that still is half your slots taken up on average from what I've seen and you got minimal loss from doing that on Gen 3 so scalability is still dropped as some older mobos supported 8 PCIE lanes and if you dropped my 2080 Supers down to 8x I could probably have had more if SLI permitted it xD
My limit was the PCIE limit, moving that to the newer mobo's I couldn't even fit the third GPU on or my extra audio card for my surround sounds.
The potential is there on newer technology but its in a premature state right now.
So most newer mobos can't even physically take on more hardware, too focused on singular systems.
Also I personally want at least 8 cores for gaming.
My main PC had All core enhancement turned on so was running a full 5.2GHz across all with an overclock. Combine that with 3 RTX2080s in 2 way + System its something I cannot achieve without so much more money on newer systems.
254GB of RAM over 8 Sticks
Also I am aware the CPUs now have dedicated slots but I still miss that my old mobo had a DIM.2 slot which was a RAM slot with a board you plugged in that had 2 M.2 drives in Raid 0.
My laptop also has a slot similar for M.2 drives to be Raided.
Having to mix between the types of M.2 sounds painful to me.
My last setup was
CPU: 10980XE
RAM: 8x64 254GB
GPU: 3x2080 Super FTW
DIM.2: 2x980 Evo Raid 0
M.2: 3x980 Evo
HDD: 2x16TB Exos drive
So modern PCs are still very crippling to my main computer. I just hate that I can't run this using something that is still built into DX12 just having to be configured by the game devs instead or setup with SLI compatibility bits, which cuts off a huge amount of other users.
Money is scarce for me at the moment as my mother just passed on and I was forced to move around and even leave my third college because she plucked me out to go to Cyprus to work for free helping her with a Bistro xD
So for people who like to mod and build up, as well as make machines that survive and can be upgraded over time losing access to technology's like SLI or even just processing load on multiple GPU's even the scaling is such a waste to me.
Its why I refuse to upgrade.
Give me a PC that can run 8 DIMM slots again or 254GB of RAM and I will upgrade xD
But my friend got a 13th gen and it died on him only recently after I already told him that PC's were in a bad spot at the moment.
Not gonna buy a server board to make AI models in my free time for friends that are like DnD adventure roleplays when I could do it using RAM instead of VRAM
I used to do SLI a long time ago. But the performance on Gen 5 gear is astronomical. It’s cost me around £750-800 to build my machine in Xmas 23. Honestly approx the same price as my 15 years old build.
My i5-13400f is 10 cores, 16 threads 6 performance cores as I’ve said above.
It’s perfect for 1080 and 1440 gaming.
My previous machine was an Asus ROG Maximus V Gene mobo, i5 3570k (quad core) amazing single core performance and the best cpu of its day. Along with a GTX 660 TI to a GTX 1060 SC EVGA 6GB. It lasted me win7 to win 10 and I still have it as a legacy machine 16 years old!
Like the olden days we used to buy dedicated sound cards, I have the Xonar DGX in my Asus, but the dedicated sound is just out of this world.
The saddest thing about building today is buggerall comes with manuals! It’s practically empty boxes. Remember GPUs came with CD-ROM, SLI connectors, badges screws. Well now an RTX 4060 TI comes with feck all….
Everything is online so you need to either have another pc running while you build the new one or do all you downloading onto USBs prior.
It’s farcical.
You have a good enough system. Be more tolerant with your expectations and it will still last you another year at least. I played entirely 1080 for 15 years then 23 got my first 1440 monitor and FreeSync.
I don’t have high expectations as long as I can play games is all that matters. Which I’ve done for 34 years on PC -20 yrs on Steam
Sorry for late response gotta wait outside the house from 10AM to 10PM for deliveries so the guy whos squating won't steal my stuff, hands were freezing.
I believe the performance but just feel we've traded so much for this new technology, I feel its still too early days for me as I want to see it grow again. At one point I had 8 ARK servers hosted on one computer and played on it at the same time, each had 226 mods and were all bungied up, 2 servers with 4 Cores each for Extremely large maps, 2 Medium maps using 2 cores and 2 that would shuffle between small maps.
New CPU's just make me feel so limited, would have to allow servers to share cores, not enough cores to just force each server apart, that could be more efficient but things always run better if they don't have to wait for cycles or resources to be fetched by another thread before the first thread can use it.
Also that's honestly not a bad price, I got my laptop originally for £7500 but you can get the bare-bones of mine for £1100 now which is partially why I keep it, Its lasted 8 years and still holds its overclock. Only issue is Windows constantly thinking it has better Realtek drivers than the ones that came with my laptop and all the software that has to be installed in order otherwise the jerry rigged setup Cyber-power put together won't work xD
I use 2 sound cards and 2 external ones to run all my surround sounds.
Got 5 surround sounds around my apartment, they are all Facebook marketplace and a past birthday gift, or ones I've gotten working again, but together all at a quiet volume they add a really nice bass and also extremely good balance around the apartment, directional sub-woofers. Done it so in the hopes one day I could watch movies with a partner using them. Wanted something more localized and better then Imax quality haha.
I use Spat and Virtual Audio cable or VBMatrix to run them all, but without the sound-cards it means I would have to stream the data to another computer via Dante or something just to have audio from my gaming machine to play across them all, I used my main PC for everything from smart control to AI, to 3D modeling and got its server rack in the middle of the room so several 30m ethernet and HDMI cables can speak to devices or supply ethernet to USB+DIsplay out. Was a really nice setup and enjoyed being able to access my PC from everywhere but the corsair 1600AX was bad and slowly damaged everything I believe, ether that or the Cornish air xD
Used to have a VGA to Ethernet adaptor go into my Switch which would duplicate the signal to several other monitors so each area of my room had old dated monitors that had a very basic media keys and player intergration.
Those were the good old days. I also drastically miss my text adventures, tried way too many times to do DnD with things like Pokemon campaigns or other cute ones to try and escape from reality xD, But the dungeon masters I met always gave up, or I got some really really creepy people who made me genuinely uncomfortable. So AI for me is both reliable, tailored and just less anxity. So 254GB is something I need in capacity more then speed, despite the fact that they are around the same speed due to the channel changes.
I want a rig I can keep building up over the years and one that can make my daily life simple and easy all in one place. Something good enough to run Virtual boxes while also not crippling itself with gaming at the same time. 10980XE Was that sweet spot for me.
Also I got the GT600 for my laptop to give it some nicer cleaner air in-case I get kicked out by the bank from my mothers property and felt clean air would be a good start for my laptop to not use its internal filter as much and also Carbon + HEPA vs only HEPA xD
But there was only less then 10 pages I believe, still got it in my kitchen waiting on returns. I imagine it could be great for anyone with a smaller laptop that doesn't use delta fans and I'm not sure why it wasn't forcing air into my laptops case unless the HEPA in my laptop was just creating too much resistance combined with the GT600s HEPA
I honestly absolutely love my laptop, hate all the slim ones they have now a days, mines chunky enough that I installed a wide sub woofer into it and still have plenty of room xD
Not to mention the antennas for if I end up without a home, its got chunky enough shoulders that I can grind square indents into them and then use panels to secure the N connectors to it. I did make the mistake of going with N and not SMA, still need to get an Amp for them but also another thing I love about my laptop is the duel charging adaptors, due to the power requirement I have about 400-600w free to wiggle with.
Its why it really saddens me to see one GPU at 100% and a second at 2-5%
Helldivers which wasn't optimized and if you just enable it by itself you often fall through the terrain, had great performance once compatability bits were tweaked, often the second GPU would stay at 80% Usage and it seemed to eliminate the low FPS during load screens. Will say it hates Warframe in the Orb, only get 20-30FPS but the moment I'm in a mission or anywhere else its 100+ xD
Just a shame to see such a beautiful game with great CPU scaling, just not have GPU scaling or a DirectX 11 mode so users can tweak SLI themselves.
If SLI can allow my 8 year old laptop compete and play with the bigger new computers, I feel its sad its something that has been abandoned.
That and the fact I tried playing it without internet and it got upset with me, so not the most laptop friendly or play on the train kind of games xD
I still remember my Lian lee, Duel core overclocked to 3.6GHz (Was so proud of that little chip pushing so much beyond its boundries), GTX200 Series (Another massive pusher stil alive and handling overclocks today haha), 16GB of RAM and a republic of gamers little mini fan and the oldschool cubed G logo.
Still remember my windows 98 computer that I took a part and started the mess of things, playing really really old Doom style star trek games xD
Good memories, good times.
Also really sorry to hear about your loss, I was lucky in that respect, my dad left when I was 4 so I hardly knew him, soon after remarried and new misses didn't want me mingling with their family as it would take time away from their family haha despite it being me who spent 8 hours in a car to get their and sleep on a blow up mattress xD
I am the youngest and stayed with my mother for a long time as she got into all kinds of abusive relationships resulting in 16 moves by the age of 20
So I can only hope that you managed to settle and grow some roots and if you ever ever have children, please make sure A) there is a will, B) That by the age of 6 they get to grow some roots into their local community, never doing that or having anyone who remembers you or knows you sucks when you leave college xD
Also don't pay into UK council pension, due to lack of spouse they are trying to absorb all of that back into the council so everything my mother worked hard for is just disappearing, don't trust it for both your benefit and families. The will bit is just so you don't get the partner of 4 months living in the main section of the house, locking the doors and preventing access to appliances xD
Also has to be a signed will, if not signed the police couldn't care less about your dying wishes xD
Save up money and get a new computer.
I have the money, my mother just passed on, but buying a new PC right now I would say is a bit of a fools gambit when I have a perfectly fine Laptop that runs all my games at max settings in 4K, Avatar was the first game to not support my SLI or compatibility bits and I own over 1000 Games xD
I cant go over 100FPS anyway due to my monitor already being a 60Hz screen set to 100Hz in the timings
I would rather read the details then make poor choices.