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MEXAH

Apr 28, 2021 @ 4:01am

Game Map

This game is strongly need map. It's hard to store all map in mind, it's huge.

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gungadin22000 has Salt and Sanctuary

Apr 28, 2021 @ 7:25am

It's pretty much a 2D Dark Souls, which also did not have a map.

Here is a fan-made set of maps, all of which are good: https://saltandsanctuary.wiki.fextralife.com/Maps

MEXAH

Apr 28, 2021 @ 12:25pm

Originally posted by gungadin22000:
It's pretty much a 2D Dark Souls, which also did not have a map.

Dark souls is third person view 3d game, and game map more easy drawling in your mind, cause your brain do it in real life. In case of 2d game it's dificult, that cause in metroidvania developers make map. in this game there is no map :( and world is HUGE!

Disrupted Mar 9, 2022 @ 2:55pm

Originally posted by MEXAH:
Originally posted by gungadin22000:
It's pretty much a 2D Dark Souls, which also did not have a map.
Dark souls is third person view 3d game, and game map more easy drawling in your mind, cause your brain do it in real life. In case of 2d game it's dificult, that cause in metroidvania developers make map. in this game there is no map :( and world is HUGE!

Yeah, this game is totally a metroidvania with souls inspiration. Even has the typical metroidvania access to places being locked behind abilities. Honestly there's no good excuse for devs not to include a map, this genre has had maps for decades for a reason. Here I am in 2022 and finding myself lost as well due to devs being too lazy to give us a map and hiding it under a thin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ veil of "its a souls-like teehee". There's no good reason for this. Just adds artificial gameplay length. Its a step back in the genre. It also starts well with making the powerups not missable at first, but then you start to have zero direction and eventually miss one or two and have to travel all over the rather large world totally confused cause of the lack of map. Its a crime in metroidvania game design. Feels worse than the cheap fall deaths or times when bosses time the attacks to you getting up after first hit and you just die with no fault of your own. Hope the second game is better, but I already hear it has no map so I have very low expectations.
You can make a good game like this without needlessly frustrating ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, this is just bad game design. (also seriously hope I am missing a way to look down and its not just impossible)

EDIT: Oh man, finished the game and found more game design crimes. There is no good reason to take the players special travel abilities away (brands) in a new game+. Yet another step back in the metroidvania genre. It seems some decisions in this game design are made for no reason other than to simply frustrate the player.
Also BIG design flaw. If you dont collect the extra items from your sanctuary leader quest rewards, and start a new game plus (which the player isnt even warned he will), you permanently lose the possibility of acquiring such items in that save. THAT is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game design.
What a sad state of affairs, there's a lot of good to this game, but also a lot of frankly amateurish mistakes and design that seems to indicate contempt for the player. Especially some later dungeons where you have to lose health to reach another platform, or worse, do blind leaps of faith that may get you to the target offscreen, or a pointless death that just serves to waste player time and acquired resources (at least gold). Also found at least one place where if you fall down you become completely stuck and have to use an item to teleport or reload a previous save, all because devs ddint foresee players falling from the entrance to the area (its the tower with the mage sanctuary at the top).

Last edited by Disrupted; Mar 11, 2022 @ 5:28pm