siam lake boss question (spoilers)

[tacogao]

Am I missing something with this one? All 3 of this boss' attacks insta kill you and she has a bad habit of sending out undodgable combinations of those 3 attacks, like she'll send out the orb which shoots trackers which forces you to run in a direction for a bit and before thats over she'll start the scatter spell which requires you to be under her or really far away and most of the time youre too close to the edge of the screen. So you're forced to die to insta kill attacks you can't avoid or tank. She'll also sometimes just use the scatter attack after gliding off screen making it impossible to dodge on it's own.

And I just don't get it every boss till now ive beaten in 2 or 3 tries and before now i was clearing 2-3 bosses a day but this one has taken me hundreads and has kept me stuck for like 3 days now. The change in difficulty is absurd here especially when the 2 bosses right next to this one i beat on my 2nd try for both (ghosts+axe and nito clone).

Is there some trick to this I'm not getting? I can get her 3/4s of the way but when that happens it feels entirely down to RNG of her spamming the scatter attack while standing still giving me free hits. Doing it the way I am feels like I'll win on pure luck of her not spamming 3 attacks at the same time making the entire screen instant death without anything to do.

[minstrelofmoria]

Tracker forcing you to the edge of the screen, then scatter from close up, is the worst she can do. I've never survived that. For two trackers in a row, your air dash can help you go over at least some of the tracking shots (though you'll probably still take a hit from one or two.) The bug thingies disappear if you get far enough away, but it's better to either block or feint them into slamming into the ground.

Try to stay close enough to her that she uses her wimpy melee attack a lot instead of her super-lethal magic, but if she's going way too fast or moves off the edge of the screen, get far away instead.

It's apparently possible to survive this fight without blocking, but I have no clue how. If you block, keep a close eye on your stamina meter and don't attack when it's low. Odds are way too high that she'll suddenly fire off something you'll need all your stamina to survive.

Are you down to 25% of your maximum carry weight? Feel free to straight-up take off armor if you need to. This boss is obnoxious to keep up with even if you're not slowed down.

And if you think this is hard, wait until you face her in New Game Plus. I don't know if the devs even playtested that fight.

[stevo]

Honestly, It's easy as day, you just stay close to her. As soon as you decide to run from her attacks than running into them, you die.The only time the fight becomes unfair is when she goes off screen.

[tacogao]

Publicado originalmente por bladechild:

Honestly, It's easy as day, you just stay close to her. As soon as you decide to run from her attacks than running into them, you die.The only time the fight becomes unfair is when she goes off screen.

except the stream shooting orb which requires you to run in a straight direction for its duration. And then when she uses more than 1 at the same time because for some reason she's allowed to do that you die, with no way to avoid the attack. And if she goes off screen while you're next to her you are somehow expected to get to the other side of the screen immediately, but if any of her spread shot spell hits you you get stunlocked to getting hit by all of them and that almost guarantees death every time.

[Almar]

https://youtu.be/PVqZ6BLK0xY

There was also a stream on Twitch where some Japanese guy was doing some challenge run and fought it for like 30mins but I can't find it. :/

[tacogao]

it feels like cheating to watch that but i guess it was at that point where i needed it. I was walking away from the streaking orb, but this guy follows it then walks away from under it, makes sense honestly just requires better timing.

Also cool to see im not the only one who found that super jump dodge trick. I used it to get to some secrets early but I'm assuming its a glitch since it cheats the air hike spots.

[Q Diddy]

git gud

[stevo]

Publicado originalmente por BurritoNyan:

Publicado originalmente por bladechild:

Honestly, It's easy as day, you just stay close to her. As soon as you decide to run from her attacks than running into them, you die.The only time the fight becomes unfair is when she goes off screen.

except the stream shooting orb which requires you to run in a straight direction for its duration. And then when she uses more than 1 at the same time because for some reason she's allowed to do that you die, with no way to avoid the attack. And if she goes off screen while you're next to her you are somehow expected to get to the other side of the screen immediately, but if any of her spread shot spell hits you you get stunlocked to getting hit by all of them and that almost guarantees death every time.

That's probably the mistake every one makes, running directly away from that attack immediately after the orb has been spawned. You can easily avoid the stream attack if you are close to her, so you can then follow the orb and make an easy escape because it limits its direction. You may get caught at the latter end of it, but you should easily be able to jump out of it. This means you are closer to get back under her after.

If memory serves, you can probably dart jump to safety under the orb providing you are more or less under it. But I'm not sure.

As for attacking twice... huh, she doesn't. This is just the effect after people spend 5 seconds running away from her attacks and then she fires off another one. SImply put, don't half ass the running away part. If you are somehow forced to (ie, she goes off screen) Then you must run ALL the way, because then you can dodge through the thinned out stunlock attack rather than trying aimlessly to jump out of the way.

And of course, if all else fails... just get a shield. There's no reason you should be losing the fight with a shield unless you aren't getting positioning right.

[tacogao]

Finally beat it I ended up killing 9 bosses, beating the game all in one session, witch was the third of those after i went to try to progress elsewhere first. Funnily enough i did it on my first try after not doing it for 3 days. Thanks for the help guys.

little disappointed that i ended up finding every single boss/area but oh well. I did miss one of the secret covenants though (since i didnt betray any). It was a pretty damn good game though.

[GarbageCollector]

When she does the minigun spray thing, stand under her. She's usually floating for this and she won't hit you at all. Best time to get loads of damage in. If you're close and get hit by every single one you're probs dead though so don't let it backfire.

Other tip is be a paladin. Lol. Beat this one on second attempt. The Disemboweled Hulk just roasted me though. Maybe the build has more to do with it than skill in this game, idk.

[tacogao]

Publicado originalmente por smokytehbear:

When she does the minigun spray thing, stand under her. She's usually floating for this and she won't hit you at all. Best time to get loads of damage in. If you're close and get hit by every single one you're probs dead though so don't let it backfire.

Other tip is be a paladin. Lol. Beat this one on second attempt. The Disemboweled Hulk just roasted me though. Maybe the build has more to do with it than skill in this game, idk.

M8, it's over and that wasn't even a problem I had, that was obvious

[JHarlequin]

If she keeps casting spells, then you are in a lot of trouble. If she delays or tries to melee you, then you have a much better chance. Most people just advise using the ashen shield since it has high enough arcane defense to block the shots perfectly, but that doesn't help if you don't use shields.

I am a bit fatalist, but if she keeps casting magic and you aren't lucky enough, you might as bell to escape and try again hoping she acts differently. (if you survive long enough to bell) As for the actual strategy, if you don't shield, then avoidance is absolute. Each spell is either so massively strong, or just that many attacks that you can't get hit directly or it's over. But they also hit such a wide area that you can't really just roll through them.

You can't exactly trick her into patterns, and the area hit by her spells is not simply figured out, but it's more about moving out of range or inside her range dependant on which spell to avoid the damage, not just trying to roll. Which means cut your armor some and increase your speed so that you can move faster. Unless you have armor with very high arcane resistance it won't really matter anyway, so you will be safer if you are faster.

[tacogao]

Publicado originalmente por JHarlequin:

If she keeps casting spells, then you are in a lot of trouble. If she delays or tries to melee you, then you have a much better chance. Most people just advise using the ashen shield since it has high enough arcane defense to block the shots perfectly, but that doesn't help if you don't use shields.

I am a bit fatalist, but if she keeps casting magic and you aren't lucky enough, you might as bell to escape and try again hoping she acts differently. (if you survive long enough to bell) As for the actual strategy, if you don't shield, then avoidance is absolute. Each spell is either so massively strong, or just that many attacks that you can't get hit directly or it's over. But they also hit such a wide area that you can't really just roll through them.

You can't exactly trick her into patterns, and the area hit by her spells is not simply figured out, but it's more about moving out of range or inside her range dependant on which spell to avoid the damage, not just trying to roll. Which means cut your armor some and increase your speed so that you can move faster. Unless you have armor with very high arcane resistance it won't really matter anyway, so you will be safer if you are faster.

M8 it's over.

[esco1979]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/283640/discussions/1/142261352663119193/?tscn=1485057359

:)

[tacogao]

Publicado originalmente por esco1979:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/283640/discussions/1/142261352663119193/?tscn=1485057359

:)

M8 it's over