Whats wrong with you people?

[[F4G] StoneD0G]

What am i missing with this game? All the raving reviews, lots of people with 300+ hours playtime, for this? A frustrating random luck game, roll the dice and wait for your turn, rinse, repeat. Not to mention it's ugly and the music is repetitive. After all the recommendations and playing this game i lost all faith in humanity, well not really.

Anyway, heres a question for you:
What do you enjoy in this game and what keeps you coming back?

[Kyle]

Even after 250 hours every game is a new experience.

I definitely agree on the music though. I have that turned off.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

It's like slapstick comedy in board game form. The point isn't accomplishing anything specific; the point is to mess around, laugh at one's own misfortune, enjoy those game-changing plays out of nowhere, laugh again when those game-changing plays go wrong, and generally kick back and relax and revel in the mayhem.

Not to mention that it's not all luck; there are a bunch of strategic decisions that one can make, from when and how to use cards, to which paths to choose, to whether to fight someone or pass them by, and much more. A key distinctive part of the strategy is that your choices of cards get mixed in with others' cards so you'll want to pick cards that might benefit you more even if other people get to use them -- that's a feature I've never seen before in games where you bring in your own cards.

As for the music, I sometimes turn it off, sometimes turn it on. It depends. It's not the best music in the world. But it's fun to joke about it sometimes.

[adleen]

Have you try playing with other people or your friends? It's certainly more enjoyable to play in multiplayer games, whether with person you know or random stranger in the lobby.

[UnLuckyCat]

Well are you playing it online?

Actually at first you should just learn what's actually happening, and most multiplayer lobbies are set to turbo speed so it's kind of hard to follow early on.

There is a huge amount of luck in the game, it's true. But everyone is subjected to the same luck, so it's quite fair (except in Normal/Extreme single player campaign). That doesn't mean all you can do is roll dice and pray, as you can definitely play pretty badly in this game. And there isn't always an obvious best choice, either.

See, every character is unique. You'll unlock more as you play the campaign (easy mode still works, and isn't rigged), all with varying stats and their own special "Hyper" card which lends itself to differing styles of play. Your job is to build a deck to play to your character's strengths, patch their weaknesses, match your own desired playstyle, or to counter your opponents who are doing the same.

Remember: all players share the same cards and can draw something another player chose to bring into the match. Because of this, those who have been playing for a long time and have all the good cards don't have such a massive advantage where newer players have no chance with their starter deck. It also means you have to plan for the inevitability that someone will have your cards, so try not to bring anything that's better for them than it is for you.

That keeps it fresh. Strategize what you can, plan for worst/average/best case scenarios, and don't let strings of absurd luck get to you. Find some friendly people, celebrate each other's successes, and laugh off the failures.

[Dunia]

We are sadomasochists.

[I-Mah Mister Dummy]

I am not going to say much, as Quint said most of the important things that makes this game enjoyable. No game you'll play will be identical to the previous ones. There ALWAYS are unexpected twists (by luck or by a player's actions) which will turn the tables in favor of someone else.

Originally posted by StoneD0G:

After all the recommendations and playing this game i lost all faith in humanity, well not really.

Please bear in mind that even if, for example, 98% of the people who played a game enjoyed it, there will still be 2% of them who didn't like it, for whatever reasons.
Even if somebody likes a game genre, this is impossible for them to like ALL the games the specified genre can offer (in this case, party games).

[Ray]

Oh well, I only played little bit, but it is fun. That's all.

[Kristy Blackclaw]

Man the music is awesome except a very few.
You have to like minimalist board game not for everyone i guess.
and super fun it multiplayer

[Luruina]

Its fun, unique, and i like to drop bomb in the very center of farm map, thats probably all i think about this game, good music btw

[[F4G] StoneD0G]

Thanks for the reply guys, i will give this game a go in multiplayer as well and see if it grows on me.

[Arcane Azmadi]

I wouldn't mind it so much except the computer blatantly cheats on the dice. I'm not kidding, chapter 4 of QP's story is unbeatable because Hime almost never rolls less than perfect dice for the entire round, while I'm not allowed to roll anything higher than a 2 (unless I hit a drop of course). After the Nth time I rolled a 1 on my Hyper-boosted attack card and my opponent Evaded it with contemptuous ease, I just ragequit and uninstalled. RNG is one thing, cheating computers are very much another.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

That was the original dev's way of making difficulty progression with what are otherwise supposed to be fairly-balanced characters.

And that's why the localizer and current dev created "Casual" difficulty, which has no roll-table rigging and which unlocks everything except achievements. That means you don't have to deal with the rigged roll tables to get all the cards and playable characters.

[Kristy Blackclaw]

i only notice the rigging dice at extreme mode.
what are the chance at normal???

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

I don't know, but I think some characters are rigged to have a better roll table and some rigged to havea worse roll table. I suspect Poppo is rigged to be worse. As for the better one, I bet Tomomo uses it and here is what I got: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qqeo2vj7RnJ9wChr56ybvFjSuNiM7q4gdJMUGYZ1XZM/edit?pli=1#gid=0

[Shade]

Originally posted by kerakdragon:

what are the chance at normal???

On Normal, it's only really noticable in the last two scenarios per campaign, as well as the Extra Campaign. In fact, as far as I can tell, most CPUs are actually rigged to roll worse than normal in the first scenario of each campaign. Just notice how absurdly often Peat in Marc's first scenario rolls a 1 for movement, for instance, or how insanely bad the rolls of the seagull and chicken in Kai's first scenario are.