the new kae

[muskio]

-1 def
why
just why

[hydro1945]

When she was first released she had -1 as a constant stat. Then it was decided that it should only count when she's attacking as when she's not building up heat she can get bullied.
My guess as to why they added it back was so that they could lower her recovery to 4.

This patch changed 3 users with 4HP-Kae, Miusaki, and Saki. I'm going to assume they did that partly because of Nicos introduction, as another 4HP character.

[Monty Sigurdson]

She also gets a permanent +1 ATK due to her passive so this isn't even a nerf.

I think it's a good change because the game needed more +2 ATK bullies.

[muskio]

It's so easy to bully her now.... she should be the bully!
Everything was ok like it was before why that change. :c

[muskio]

I can't even say if the intended to do a nerf or a buff with that -1

[Sham!]

Originally posted by muskio:

I can't even say if the intended to do a nerf or a buff with that -1

they probably wanted to make her even more of a glass gannon imo
it was a pretty cool change imo, forget about collecting stars with her and just bash players

[Monty Sigurdson]

Originally posted by muskio:

It's so easy to bully her now.... she should be the bully!
Everything was ok like it was before why that change. :c

So how is bullying a +1/-1/+1 character any "easier" than bullying a 0/0/+1 character? If anything, it's riskier because she can counterattack with a 7 if she survives (or with a 8 if she uses Rainbow-colored circle). So imo the change doesn't make a huge difference when you're on defense. Yes, your def is worse, but if you survive you'll hit back harder. And if you don't survive, you'll get back up easier with that 4 REC and can start bullying the one who KOed you.

Also, when you're on offense, the -1 DEF is fantastic because your aim as Kae should be to kill in one hit anyway, and now it's easier than ever.

So the changes synergize with Kae's playstyle very well. She's better than before.

[muskio]

Originally posted by Monty Sigurdson:

Originally posted by muskio:

It's so easy to bully her now.... she should be the bully!
Everything was ok like it was before why that change. :c

So how is bullying a +1/-1/+1 character any "easier" than bullying a 0/0/+1 character? If anything, it's riskier because she can counterattack with a 7 if she survives (or with a 8 if she uses Rainbow-colored circle). So imo the change doesn't make a huge difference when you're on defense. Yes, your def is worse, but if you survive you'll hit back harder. And if you don't survive, you'll get back up easier with that 4 REC and can start bullying the one who KOed you.

Also, when you're on offense, the -1 DEF is fantastic because your aim as Kae should be to kill in one hit anyway, and now it's easier than ever.

So the changes synergize with Kae's playstyle very well. She's better than before.

First game i made i tried to hurt poppo full hp, i rolled ♥♥♥♥ on attack, he defended well, he rolled a 6, i rolled a 3, got one hit from poppo
This is 100% orange juice, rng is always against you

[Monty Sigurdson]

Yes, because RNG screwed you 1 time the change must be for the worse.

RNG screws everyone equally so that's not an argument. One bad def roll always messes you up, doesn't matter if you have 0 def or -1.

But still, if you're so against the Kae change, you can just pick someone else I guess. Most people (including myself) seem to like the change, though.

[muskio]

Originally posted by Sham!:

Originally posted by muskio:

I can't even say if the intended to do a nerf or a buff with that -1

they probably wanted to make her even more of a glass gannon imo
it was a pretty cool change imo, forget about collecting stars with her and just bash players

Yes it is pretty fun, but looks like everyone just focus on her just because of her great potential
That -1 hurt on defense, with 4 hp

[muskio]

Originally posted by Monty Sigurdson:

Yes, because RNG screwed you 1 time the change must be for the worse.

RNG screws everyone equally so that's not an argument.

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[Sordid Heap]

Bear in mind that the -1 to def also coincides with her new 4 rec stat; overall she's still theoretically going to spend the same amount of time being alive. It's not like she was a particularly strong character to begin with - without card support, she was basically just a worse Sora, so personally I'm glad she's found a new identity as the ultimate glass cannon.

[\tg/ World Peace]

Originally posted by Monty Sigurdson:

Originally posted by muskio:

It's so easy to bully her now.... she should be the bully!
Everything was ok like it was before why that change. :c

So how is bullying a +1/-1/+1 character any "easier" than bullying a 0/0/+1 character? If anything, it's riskier because she can counterattack with a 7 if she survives (or with a 8 if she uses Rainbow-colored circle).

Simple, the attacker goes first. If Tomomo knocks out Kae then it doesn't matter if her ATK is 0, 1, or 20. In Kae's case the extra +1/-1 on attacks will probably do more good on offense than harm on defense, but we'll see.

Originally posted by Tsuchinoko real:

Bear in mind that the -1 to def also coincides with her new 4 rec stat; overall she's still theoretically going to spend the same amount of time being alive. It's not like she was a particularly strong character to begin with - without card support, she was basically just a worse Sora, so personally I'm glad she's found a new identity as the ultimate glass cannon.

Kae is better than Sora unless hypers are involved.

[Sordid Heap]

Originally posted by \tg/ World Peace:

Kae is better than Sora unless hypers are involved.

Without card support she was either 0/0/1 or 1/-1/1 against Sora's 1/0/1.

[Norton 360 for Gamers]

My favorite glass cannon is now even more of a glass cannon which is exactly what she's meant to be. Don't see the problem here. She died all the time anyway, but now she gets to burn even brighter before expiring.

[\tg/ World Peace]

Originally posted by Tsuchinoko real:

Originally posted by \tg/ World Peace:

Kae is better than Sora unless hypers are involved.

Without card support she was either 0/0/1 or 1/-1/1 against Sora's 1/0/1.

I specified hyper. In my experience Sora is on the bad side without hypers specifically, while Kae can make do with cheap battle cards that lots of other characters will include in their decks.