SOMA
XBlade Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:01am
Did I get the good or bad ending? [WARNING: SPOILERS]
I'm seriously confused as to what happened. I thought I got the bad ending because when I got the end, where you hit the button to launch the ARK and the scans go through, I see the Simon that stayed back, the one who lost the coin toss on where his own concsious mind goes. But after watching the credits, I then get some extra gameplay. And it was the Simon on the ARK....... I'm not too sure which ending I got because of this, since I saw both Simon viewpoints. For now I'll assume I got the bad ending since that's what led to the credits. Can anyone help me confirm my actual ending?
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As far as i know there is only one ending.
Clord Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:05am 
There are no alternative endings.

Basically the protagonist of the story doesn't somehow understand what Catherine is saying and assumed that he would transfer instead of having another copy made of him.

It's extremely conflicting especially if you pay attention to the story, how dumb the main character is.
Last edited by Clord; Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:05am
XBlade Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:06am 
That was a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heavy ending imo. The "all your effort was for nothing now you get to die alone" ending. jeez
Calorie Mate Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Clord:
There are no alternative endings.

Basically the protagonist of the story doesn't somehow understand what Catherine is saying and assumed that he would transfer instead of having another copy made of him.

It's extremely conflicting especially if you pay attention to the story, how dumb the main character is.

Yeah, she explained it like, three or four times before, but Simon just didn't get it. Which he should have, because he had enough self awareness to realize that he was Simon Nr.3 already...
Cornelius Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:23am 
It's basically a bad ending for the Simon you play as and a good ending for the Simon on the ARK.
Larry Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:27am 
Originally posted by AGCuserxbladeTheUterus:
That was a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heavy ending imo. The "all your effort was for nothing now you get to die alone" ending. jeez

I took it to be more open ended. I mean, Catherine's in the Ominitool which seems to have a hefty battery on it as well as being easily recharged with recharge points just about anywhere. All that really happened was the console was broken, not the actual Ominitool. All Simon needs to do is take the Ominitool out and place it in a console back in the interior or Pi and bob's your uncle, hello Catherine! Even if the Ominitool was screwed i'm pretty sure he could transfer her software/mind over to the base's main terminal(The only reason you needed the chair as Jason is because he exists in a half dead body and can't be as easily transferred and plugged into a terminal like Catherine).
shiv Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:45am 
unless the station will now die given that the wau is no longer maintaining it...

It really was aggravating just how dense simon was.. i felt bad for Catherine, she didn't deserve his behaviour.. she was just as stuck as him, but he was raging like it was all her fault... this was ALWAYS going to be how it ended... everyone saw it coming, except simon apparently. I was actually thankful when Catherine 'died'... it was merciful... she wouldn't be stuck with this idiot any more.

Originally posted by AGCuserxbladeTheUterus:
That was a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heavy ending imo. The "all your effort was for nothing now you get to die alone" ending. jeez

hardly.. you succeeded.. you gave the human race a fighting chance to go on. You accomplished the goal, and made it onto the ark. It was a downer for the 3rd simon, but a massive achievement and success for the 4th simon.. and if 3rd simon wasn't being such a ♥♥♥♥ about it, and pondering his future, he'd realise what a massive thing he accomplished.
Last edited by shiv; Sep 26, 2015 @ 8:50am
LABAL Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:22am 
Originally posted by shiv:
hardly.. you succeeded.. you gave the human race a fighting chance to go on. You accomplished the goal, and made it onto the ark. It was a downer for the 3rd simon, but a massive achievement and success for the 4th simon.. and if 3rd simon wasn't being such a ♥♥♥♥ about it, and pondering his future, he'd realise what a massive thing he accomplished.
A fighting chance? Being stuffed into a dreamworld box, flying in space until it expires or crashes into something is your understanding of "fighting chance"? Helpless disembodied minds, lingering after death, blissfully unaware of how doomed they are... An empty substitute for "happily ever after". Maybe it's the Simon #3 that got the actual good ending. A chance to do at least something but simply fade out.
Last edited by LABAL; Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:26am
TMAC Blade Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Calorie Mate:
Originally posted by Clord:
There are no alternative endings.

Basically the protagonist of the story doesn't somehow understand what Catherine is saying and assumed that he would transfer instead of having another copy made of him.

It's extremely conflicting especially if you pay attention to the story, how dumb the main character is.

Yeah, she explained it like, three or four times before, but Simon just didn't get it. Which he should have, because he had enough self awareness to realize that he was Simon Nr.3 already...
well if i was stuck in a situation like they where i would be hoping i could escape that nightmare somehow. i know she explained it a ton of times during the game but i assume that maybe he was hoping it would be different seeing that it is the ark and not some computer. I mean they could have made a group of suvivors if they wanted to. there are still robots everywhere and a lot of them have scans of people. i would just get a bunch of them together and just try to create a robotic community. i know it sounds hipster but its the only way to deal with the utterly depressing ending.
TMAC Blade Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by shiv:
unless the station will now die given that the wau is no longer maintaining it...

It really was aggravating just how dense simon was.. i felt bad for Catherine, she didn't deserve his behaviour.. she was just as stuck as him, but he was raging like it was all her fault... this was ALWAYS going to be how it ended... everyone saw it coming, except simon apparently. I was actually thankful when Catherine 'died'... it was merciful... she wouldn't be stuck with this idiot any more.

Originally posted by AGCuserxbladeTheUterus:
That was a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heavy ending imo. The "all your effort was for nothing now you get to die alone" ending. jeez

hardly.. you succeeded.. you gave the human race a fighting chance to go on. You accomplished the goal, and made it onto the ark. It was a downer for the 3rd simon, but a massive achievement and success for the 4th simon.. and if 3rd simon wasn't being such a ♥♥♥♥ about it, and pondering his future, he'd realise what a massive thing he accomplished.
not to sound smart but what if a rogue asteroid hits the ark in space what then? does everyone die. lord that would be the worst troll. go through all that ♥♥♥♥ to get it into space and some troll asteroid hits it.
shiv Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:44am 
Originally posted by Labal:
Originally posted by shiv:
hardly.. you succeeded.. you gave the human race a fighting chance to go on. You accomplished the goal, and made it onto the ark. It was a downer for the 3rd simon, but a massive achievement and success for the 4th simon.. and if 3rd simon wasn't being such a ♥♥♥♥ about it, and pondering his future, he'd realise what a massive thing he accomplished.
A fighting chance? Being stuffed into a dreamworld box, flying in space until it expires or crashes into something is your understanding of "fighting chance"? Helpless disembodied minds, lingering after death, blissfully unaware of how doomed they are... An empty substitute for "happily ever after". Maybe it's the Simon #3 that got the actual good ending. A chance to do at least something but simply fade out.

one of the core themes i picked up from the game was the idea of transition.. humanity was entering a new phase. it wasn't life as we knew it, it was a chance to go forward. catherine made it clear staying on earth was a dead end... humanity was screwed, but whos to say how we might be able to develop in that box? we could become beings of pure energy or find ways of leaving the box... im sure the idea of leaving earth was at one point utterly ludicrous and we assumed we'd be stuck here because its all we knew. Whos to say what could happen. a CHANCE is better than none at all... The core theme of the game led up to the question of whether or not what was in the ark, was still humanity... if your conclusion was that it wasn't, then thats your ending... humanity died when we killed the last woman... but if your conclusion was that all the personalities we met along the way, including simon(s) himself were still representative of humans, and human life, then yes... the ark does represent hope and a chance to continue.

It's also worth noting that time wouldn't necessarily be percieved in the ark the same way it is in the 'real world'... a day in the outside world could be 10 years... 100.. a thousand within the ark. It could be a billion years worth of evolution within the virtual environment before the lifespan of the ark was exhausted.

Originally posted by TMAC Blade:
not to sound smart but what if a rogue asteroid hits the ark in space what then? does everyone die. lord that would be the worst troll. go through all that ♥♥♥♥ to get it into space and some troll asteroid hits it.

one of the characters posed that very question, and catherine fought to the death over that very issue, saying it was still worth the risk, because staying in pathos 2 was a dead end, trapped at the bottom of the ocean... a chance in a million is still a chance, a hope, versus a certainty of death.
Last edited by shiv; Sep 26, 2015 @ 9:47am
ICARUS Sep 26, 2015 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by Dr.Larry:
Originally posted by AGCuserxbladeTheUterus:
That was a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heavy ending imo. The "all your effort was for nothing now you get to die alone" ending. jeez

I took it to be more open ended. I mean, Catherine's in the Ominitool which seems to have a hefty battery on it as well as being easily recharged with recharge points just about anywhere. All that really happened was the console was broken, not the actual Ominitool. All Simon needs to do is take the Ominitool out and place it in a console back in the interior or Pi and bob's your uncle, hello Catherine! Even if the Ominitool was screwed i'm pretty sure he could transfer her software/mind over to the base's main terminal(The only reason you needed the chair as Jason is because he exists in a half dead body and can't be as easily transferred and plugged into a terminal like Catherine).

Except it clearly states that the cortex chip is corrupted, if you pay attention to the screen before it turns off.

Catherine's software was on that cortex chip, as she gave it to Simon when he found her at Lambda. So therefore wouldn't the chip, along with that version of Catherine be completely ruined?
Larry Sep 27, 2015 @ 6:55am 
Originally posted by P.R.A.X.I.S:
Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

I took it to be more open ended. I mean, Catherine's in the Ominitool which seems to have a hefty battery on it as well as being easily recharged with recharge points just about anywhere. All that really happened was the console was broken, not the actual Ominitool. All Simon needs to do is take the Ominitool out and place it in a console back in the interior or Pi and bob's your uncle, hello Catherine! Even if the Ominitool was screwed i'm pretty sure he could transfer her software/mind over to the base's main terminal(The only reason you needed the chair as Jason is because he exists in a half dead body and can't be as easily transferred and plugged into a terminal like Catherine).

Except it clearly states that the cortex chip is corrupted, if you pay attention to the screen before it turns off.

Catherine's software was on that cortex chip, as she gave it to Simon when he found her at Lambda. So therefore wouldn't the chip, along with that version of Catherine be completely ruined?

Either way, if the cortex chip really did get completely destroyed then it would point to Catherine setting it up that way... I just couldn't see it being so convenient that seconds after launch the chip dies like that. Basically, Catherine is an evil ♥♥♥♥♥ leaving Simon at the bottom of the ocean all alone like that regardless of her beliefs on continuity or not.

Edit: I just double checked. It says nothing about the cortex chip. All it says is "Critical Failure" and "Please retry" repeating. Wasn't that simply tied to the pilot seat and the Omega Launcher and not Catherine? At least that's the impression I was given.
Last edited by Larry; Sep 27, 2015 @ 7:06am
Horo Sep 27, 2015 @ 7:04am 
Whether it is a bad ending is completely subjective. You could percieve it as the best possible ending for SOMA. A copy of Simon is alive on the ARK, which you get to see after the credits.
Trevor Fox Sep 27, 2015 @ 8:15am 
I really don't understand why people think Simon was stupid. I feel that Simon was given a lot of new information all at once that he couldn't fully comprehend or grasp. He was in shock from waking up in the future, and all of this information is thrown at him over the course of a day.

When he's first copied, he is upset because he didn't know that's how the transfer to the new body would work. He thought it'd be a brain transplant. When he finds out his info was just copied, and another version of himself was left behind, he was rightfully upset because it introduced a moral dilemma that he wasn't prepared to deal with.

He talks to Catherine a lot about it on the ride down into the abyss. He throws out a lot of "what ifs" and still sees the situation as really bad. He eventually asks Catherine to speak because he doesn't want to think anymore. At this point, I believe that Simon understands the copying sequence, but the thought of it, and his own moral struggle with it, makes him want to forget that it happened. To focus on the ARK, which is the goal to save humanity.

He collects himself and presses on, holding onto the hope that he and Catherine are going to get onto the ARK. Him being copied again doesn't cross his mind because he's put it out of thought. He doesn't want to think about that. He's only imagining being transferred onto the ARK again.

But, when it comes down to it at the end, and he's still in the pilot seat, he asks Catherine what went wrong for a second time. And when she tells him, the crushing realization that he didn't want to deal with before came back, and he understood that he was never going to be able to get onto the ARK. This caused him to explode at Catherine moments before her death, and then, when she was gone, he realized that not only was he stuck in a situation he had ignored up to that point, but now he didn't even have a friend with him to help him through it.

So, I don't see Simon as stupid. I see a man who's struggling with the moral concept of what Catherine created with her machine, and the denial that he goes through until the situation can no longer be ignored.
Last edited by Trevor Fox; Sep 27, 2015 @ 8:28am
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