Gateway Origin is just strictly worse than Shroud Origin?

[HollowKing]

I already knew Gateway Origin was bad but doing my first Shroud Origin game and it just hands you a working gate for 500 alloys at start of game? It teleports me to the other side of the galaxy for way way less work and alloys than the gateway origin requires. Not to mention that the system it teleports me to has 5 Zro.

And this is just on top of getting guaranteed early access to Ionic ascension that the Shroud origin already gives.

So Gateway way Origin is just strictly worse and completely useless if you want a gateway in your starting system you can just get one for free with Shroud origin along with all the other bonuses Shroud origin provides.

[Kufesska]

Originally posted by HollowKing:

I already knew Gateway Origin was bad but doing my first Shroud Origin game and it just hands you a working gate for 500 alloys at start of game? It teleports me to the other side of the galaxy for way way less work and alloys than the gateway origin requires. Not to mention that the system it teleports me to has 5 Zro.

And this is just on top of getting guaranteed early access to Ionic ascension that the Shroud origin already gives.

So Gateway way Origin is just strictly worse and completely useless if you want a gateway in your starting system you can just get one for free with Shroud origin along with all the other bonuses Shroud origin provides.

it is well known that gateway origin is weak, maybe one of the weakest(not looking at challengin origins)
it is also well known that teachers of the shroud is a strong origin, saving you one ascension perk, and allowing you to rush psionic ascension very fast

[Kufesska]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97oi66OQvY8
kinda old tierlist, but there were not much nerfs/buffs to listed origins since then

[cybermastah]

To be fair, shroud origin is newer and chances are newer content may be better in some way. Take the aquatics DLC; they got a planet killer weapon that leaves them a proper habitable planet, and if I recall correctly they're also the ones that got the 'here be dragons' DLC. There's no 100% guarantee that everything newer will be better, but it feels like there's a fair chance it will be because it'll have been a pet project they put a lot of effort into.

[Sabaithal]

Gateway origin is basically for people roleplaying Mass Effect... now there's an idea for a mod. Break the galaxy hyperlanes into isolated clusters, and you can only reach others through Mass relays/gateways.

[Half Phased]

The galactic doorstep origin is for quick access to gateway repair and building techs, so if you want to rush those techs, it’s the origin for that.

The gateway in galactic doorstep will also spit out some resources at times, but yeah, it’s still a pretty weak origin.

[Ryika]

The Origin was weak even when it released, so it's not too surprising that it doesn't hold up against more modern options.

[JustSmile]

Some origins are just straight up worse than others, they're not balanced to be equal in all aspects.

[mss73055]

On the other hand: being forced into Psionics currently isn't that great.

And while zro bros can teach you zro farming, it will cost you 50 rep and 4000 zro bro credits.

And they quit on you once @ hits the fan,

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by HollowKing:

and it just hands you a working gate for 500 alloys at start of game?

It hands you a shroud tunnel, not a gate.

You don't get the gate tech from it, you can't build more gates, the shroud tunnel only leads to one place and back (while in a gate network every gate leads to every other gate), etc.

Galactic Doorstep still way worse then the Shroud Origin. But a shroud tunnel is like a wormhole, not a gate.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Galactic Doorstep still way worse then the Shroud Origin. But a shroud tunnel is like a wormhole, not a gate.

A wormhole that has a 1 in 10 chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with you every time you use it.

[HollowKing]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Galactic Doorstep still way worse then the Shroud Origin. But a shroud tunnel is like a wormhole, not a gate.

A wormhole that has a 1 in 10 chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with you every time you use it.

Something bad can happen going through shroud tunnel? I went through it tons of times and nothing bad happened.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by HollowKing:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

A wormhole that has a 1 in 10 chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with you every time you use it.

Something bad can happen going through shroud tunnel? I went through it tons of times and nothing bad happened.

Keep it up. Test lady luck, see what happens.

[Kufesska]

Originally posted by HollowKing:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

A wormhole that has a 1 in 10 chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with you every time you use it.

Something bad can happen going through shroud tunnel? I went through it tons of times and nothing bad happened.

https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/FTL#Shroud_Tunnel

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by HollowKing:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

A wormhole that has a 1 in 10 chance of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with you every time you use it.

Something bad can happen going through shroud tunnel? I went through it tons of times and nothing bad happened.

It's the Shroud. Always assume something bad can happen when interacting with the Shroud.

[MrFreake_PDX]

Galactic Doorstep also has a vastly increased chance of spawning Skrand Sharpbeak, iirc.