About cosmogenesis

[Aroganz]

Will the galaxy hate me if i reach level 5 and never build and use the lathe ?

[Antearz]

It already pretty much Hates You at Level 4 to be Honest.

But at this Point its usually Irrelevant because You are Overpowered that nobody Attacks You.

The Bigger Problem with Cosmogenesis is. Its basicly a Must Take now.
Because the Ships are so Insanely Overpowered that a Single Cosmogenesis Fleet is worth 5-6 Normal Fleets.

[Aroganz]

Originally posted by Antearz:

It already pretty much Hates You at Level 4 to be Honest.

But at this Point its usually Irrelevant because You are Overpowered that nobody Attacks You.

The Bigger Problem with Cosmogenesis is. Its basicly a Must Take now.
Because the Ships are so Insanely Overpowered that a Single Cosmogenesis Fleet is worth 5-6 Normal Fleets.

oh ok , i was avoiding taking it thinking that if the whole galaxy goes againts me im dead xD

[Aroganz]

i mean i know im OP and all but even so how much can i do againts every single one of the other empires

[Sabaithal]

I mean yes but... the last 3 times I did it no one declared war on me. Not even the fallen empires. I was super disappointed.

In fact getting ANYONE to declare war on me from midgame onwards just hasn't been happening (with maximum aggressiveness and lots of genocidal empires). And both my fleet and territory are tiny....

[Aroganz]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

I mean yes but... the last 3 times I did it no one declared war on me. Not even the fallen empires. I was super disappointed.

In fact getting ANYONE to declare war on me from midgame onwards just hasn't been happening (with maximum aggressiveness and lots of genocidal empires). And both my fleet and territory are tiny....

hmm oh i see now, at some point Fallen empires did declare many humiliation wars on me which i insta chose to lose but after a certain point no one does it. Hmm i could try and see tomorrow. Thanks

[CrUsHeR]

With a fanatic xenophile empire - No problems, the vassals still loved me. And their loyalty is the only relevant thing.

The only breaking point is when you adopt Cosmogenesis, and the FEs start getting grumpy. So you need that huge fleet to deter them from attacking you before you progress, IIRC something like 300k+. Lots of Escort ships from the first unlock will do.

So when they start sending humiliation demands, you can say "NOPE" and if you have enough naval power they won't attack. Though you would totally lose an actual battle against them.


Just the... "experiments" to unlock stage 5 are problematic, and can even destroy your empire. Like when you run a Virtual build and your only Ecumenopolis turns into a desert world, that's practically game over.

So unless you actually want to end the game early with the Cosmogenesis ending, you can safely stay at stage 4 forever. You have all the ship types and components, only missing the absolute high-end buildings but you don't really need them.

[mss73055]

Normal empires are not an issue. If you got bad luck fallen empires will spite you right from researching level 2. This is an issue as it will get you -50% research across the board.

[Aroganz]

Well right now im still LVL 4 but killed 1 of the 5 FEs...i could probably go fine againts 2 but all 4 would defintely destroy me

[Aroganz]

Another question i have is if i do the cosmogenesis ending does the crisis repeat it self? to be clear i set cetana now as a crisis so if i end her and decide to do the cosmogenesis ending the new birth of the univers changes the crisis? or it stays the same?

[RCMidas]

Nothing like that resets post-cosmogenesis.