Survey near enemy territory as strategy?

[Elkhan]

Would it be beneficial to send fast (but less likely) surveyors to scout near enemy territory, preventing them from getting the extra anomalies that a thorough surveyor would reveal? Or do the mechanics work another way?

[Tiasmoon]

Im not sure, but I dont think anomalies are shared. You still want to be relatively fast either way since you cant survey if they claim the area.

[Cryten]

Anecdotally Ive had territory near the enemy both offer anomalies (clearly allready explored by the ai) and not offer anomalies. As such I do not know if surverying near them first would do anything other then deprive yourself of expansion opportunities.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Only the first empire that surveys a stellar body has a chance to discover an anomaly on it. Every time you are the first one to survey a stellar body you help yourself (by gaining a chance of discovering an anomaly) and hurt all of your opponents (by denying them a chance of discovering an anomaly).

[Tiasmoon]

Can you confirm this? I've seen nothing to suggest this is the case. In fact, I've gotten anomalies right next to someone's borders before. (in a system they had already passed with their science vessels)

[alnur]

i had a fully surveyed system getting new yield as another nation surveyed it.

you having surveyed a system doesnt make it "surveyed" to any other nation. only system that are claimed (with outpost) cannot be surveyed.

so having multiple nation surveying a system would increase the yield of that system due to the chance of all nations getting some anomalies in that system.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Im not sure, but I dont think anomalies are shared. You still want to be relatively fast either way since you cant survey if they claim the area.

You can capture their system, remove the outpost and still survey the system yourself ^^

[Tiasmoon]

The lost influence and (to lesser extend) alloys you'd have to use to reclaim the area wouldnt be worth it.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

The lost influence and (to lesser extend) alloys you'd have to use to reclaim the area wouldnt be worth it.

Fanatic Xenophobe, expansionist leader, reach the stars and interstellar dominion = 85% off, dirt cheap outposts.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Can you confirm this? I've seen nothing to suggest this is the case. In fact, I've gotten anomalies right next to someone's borders before. (in a system they had already passed with their science vessels)

I am absolutely certain of it, but I can't prove it per se. I am so confident that if you say that you've found an anomaly next to someone else's empire then I will say that for whatever reason they hadn't actually surveyed the stellar body that you found that anomaly on.

If you wanted to confirm this for yourself, experimentally, then you could start up a multiplayer game with only one other empire, controlled by a friend of yours assisting you in the test. Then you could coordinate your exploration, where one player would survey a system first, and then the other player would survey that system afterwards, repeating for every system in the galaxy. I am confident that in that scenario the second player would never find a single anomaly.

The possible exception to this behavior, of course, would be in the case that mods are in use. I can't guarantee that a mod would not somehow alter the results.

[GentlesirGibbles]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Only the first empire that surveys a stellar body has a chance to discover an anomaly on it. Every time you are the first one to survey a stellar body you help yourself (by gaining a chance of discovering an anomaly) and hurt all of your opponents (by denying them a chance of discovering an anomaly).

I believe that there is a minor exception with this; with crisis.

I've had the GK sweep through midgame in a filled up galaxy, only for my empire to recover lost AI territory, having the ability to resurvey their former territory, and seemingly reroll anomalies

[Tiasmoon]

That's how it normally works. If something is unsurveyed you can roll anomalies. Unless I see some prove I'm not convinced it doesnt roll it on the player/empire side the moment they finish the survey.

[GentlesirGibbles]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Unless I see some prove I'm not convinced it doesnt roll it on the player/empire side the moment they finish the survey.

I think the best you will get are anecdotals. Asking people to dig through their save files for specific dates and specific proofs is asking for a bit much.

I know I don't care enough to dig through my past 300 hours ( or however long it's been since that specific game) of saves to find this specific circumstance.

Why don't you go set up the experiment, based on the situations others are describing? Offer proof one way or another rather than wanting someone to convince you? You could use console commands to get to the point where you need to be to test things out.

[Tiasmoon]

Uhm, okay? I guess that triggered you, because we were discussing the mechanics before and not engaging in some kind of catfight.

Based on the observations of most people systems can be surveyed by anyone. And anyone can get anomalies from them even if someone else surveyed them. That is the common expectation. If you want to claim it is otherwise then bring proof or you just wont be believed.
You dont need proof to say something, only to claim with certainty that is the case against common sense or observation.

Personally I think it would be good to know if its indeed the case that systems can only have anomalies for the first player.

But right now as it is that seems unlikely.

I dont know what is so strange that people arent going to be convinced without something tangible.

edit: ah I see. You read my post and thought ''unless I see some prove'' was actually asking you to provide proof. I guess I just phrased that poorly.

It was a figure of speech, and not asking you for proof.

[Lady Crimson (RIP)]

I think more likely you'd just waste your scientists time.. so not worth it.. since you have no idea what they surveyed and they probably surveyed it already.

(I don't think you can find anomalies in space other people surveyed).

Although if you say you've found some.. good on you I guess.. and that's good to know, but I'll still hold my doubts.

However if you're looking for a conversation to be actually had.. please don't use the term 'triggered'.. because it always goes south if you say that.. it's basically trying to get someone mad.

[xycotta]

Biggest problem I find are excavations, they show up at the border than the AI grabs them