Why keeping slaves as livestock?

[Mr. Wiggles]

[FIBBIDEH]

because livestock produce a lot of food and don't need a food related district or building, freeing up space to place more mines or generators.

The biggest thing about this is how you can have planets make food that were never intended to produce it, like a habitat or an ecumenopolis. Pair this with mastery of evolution where you make them communal, nerve stapled, and delicious, and you have the perfect food producing cattle that will render your agriculture districts obsolete.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

Originally posted by vkobe:

same reason we eat beef, instead to use them to grow crop

But cows do not occupy housing space or try to revolt or lower our planet's happiness

Are you sure about that? Last year alone there were 177 cow rebellions which were all covered up by the government.

The real question is, how do livestock produce food? In the real world livestock CONSUME FOOD. You need to feed the livestock food for them to grow. Each cow consumes several acres worth of crops. So in order to have species slated as livestock, you should need to devote land to producing food for them to each. Of course the thing about cows is that we slowly engineered them to be docile and have a large amount of meat. A species like humans doesn't really have that much meat on it.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

But cows do not occupy housing space or try to revolt or lower our planet's happiness

Are you sure about that? Last year alone there were 177 cow rebellions which were all covered up by the government.

The real question is, how do livestock produce food? In the real world livestock CONSUME FOOD. You need to feed the livestock food for them to grow. Each cow consumes several acres worth of crops. So in order to have species slated as livestock, you should need to devote land to producing food for them to each. Of course the thing about cows is that we slowly engineered them to be docile and have a large amount of meat. A species like humans doesn't really have that much meat on it.

The flavor text just states that your civilization basically hunts them and kills them for food but otherwise they just live on the planet somewhere.

[michael_jason2014]

livestock is buggy, they don't eat food, live forever and don't run out. A better fix would be they get processed into food over time then disappear, a large one time food bonus into storage.

[FIBBIDEH]

Originally posted by michael_jason2014:

livestock is buggy, they don't eat food, live forever and don't run out. A better fix would be they get processed into food over time then disappear it a large one time food storage bonus.

That's the "processing" purge type.

I'm seeing this more as the population being rounded up, put in pens, and fed just enough to keep them alive and growing long enough to be slaughtered. the net difference in food being produced from slaughter is greater than the food being used feeding the livestock pop is greater because they are being fed almost "non-food" items like we are with cows (we don't eat grass or straw, but it's the staple of their diet), and they can be put to work growing their own food.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by FIBBIDEH:

Originally posted by michael_jason2014:

livestock is buggy, they don't eat food, live forever and don't run out. A better fix would be they get processed into food over time then disappear it a large one time food storage bonus.

That's the "processing" purge type.

I'm seeing this more as the population being rounded up, put in pens, and fed just enough to keep them alive and growing long enough to be slaughtered. the net difference in food being produced from slaughter is greater than the food being used feeding the livestock pop is greater because they are being fed almost "non-food" items like we are with cows (we don't eat grass or straw, but it's the staple of their diet), and they can be put to work growing their own food.

However there is a huge difference between a cow and a person. Cows have four stomachs and bacteria that help them break down plant matter we could not digest. Cows are also much more resistant to bacteria, fungi and viruses than people are. On a planet with 130 pops, is there really any land for these pops to live off of? Isn't it presumably all being used for houses?

I mean it is pretty clear that the people eating thing is just for lols and makes no logical sense.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Because your a hive mind and you dont want to purge them?
Because stellaris is mean and doesnt allow hive minds to keep conquered pops on your planets?

[FIBBIDEH]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Because your a hive mind and you dont want to purge them?
Because stellaris is mean and doesnt allow hive minds to keep conquered pops on your planets?

get evolutionary mastery and set the species rights to "assimilation". They will either join the hive mind or die trying to escape it.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by FIBBIDEH:

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Because your a hive mind and you dont want to purge them?
Because stellaris is mean and doesnt allow hive minds to keep conquered pops on your planets?

get evolutionary mastery and set the species rights to "assimilation". They will either join the hive mind or die trying to escape it.

Which is argueable speaking worse.
Also it takes awhile to get that and enemies tent to attack long before that.

[FIBBIDEH]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Originally posted by FIBBIDEH:

That's the "processing" purge type.

I'm seeing this more as the population being rounded up, put in pens, and fed just enough to keep them alive and growing long enough to be slaughtered. the net difference in food being produced from slaughter is greater than the food being used feeding the livestock pop is greater because they are being fed almost "non-food" items like we are with cows (we don't eat grass or straw, but it's the staple of their diet), and they can be put to work growing their own food.

However there is a huge difference between a cow and a person. Cows have four stomachs and bacteria that help them break down plant matter we could not digest. Cows are also much more resistant to bacteria, fungi and viruses than people are. On a planet with 130 pops, is there really any land for these pops to live off of? Isn't it presumably all being used for houses?

I mean it is pretty clear that the people eating thing is just for lols and makes no logical sense.

1) the physiological differences between a human and a cow are not nearly as much as that between a person and an alien. Any diseases or bacteria native to any planet will either be incapable of being a threat to the alien, or will completely destroy them. Due to the advances in medicine in this game and how my pops aren't disappearing from the space plague, I'm going to say any disease will fall into the former's category.

2) there doesn't need to be that much land to raise cattle here on earth. Think factory farms. Those delicious xenos will never see the light of day ever again. Thanks to advances in hydroponics, feeding them will be that much easier. all females, or female equivalent, will be perpetually in a state of breeding (pregnant, egg laying, or what-have-you) in order to keep up with the population culling.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by FIBBIDEH:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

However there is a huge difference between a cow and a person. Cows have four stomachs and bacteria that help them break down plant matter we could not digest. Cows are also much more resistant to bacteria, fungi and viruses than people are. On a planet with 130 pops, is there really any land for these pops to live off of? Isn't it presumably all being used for houses?

I mean it is pretty clear that the people eating thing is just for lols and makes no logical sense.

1) the physiological differences between a human and a cow are not nearly as much as that between a person and an alien. Any diseases or bacteria native to any planet will either be incapable of being a threat to the alien, or will completely destroy them. Due to the advances in medicine in this game and how my pops aren't disappearing from the space plague, I'm going to say any disease will fall into the former's category.

2) there doesn't need to be that much land to raise cattle here on earth. Think factory farms. Those delicious xenos will never see the light of day ever again. Thanks to advances in hydroponics, feeding them will be that much easier. all females, or female equivalent, will be perpetually in a state of breeding (pregnant, egg laying, or what-have-you) in order to keep up with the population culling.

It isn't about the land that the cow lives on directly, it is the land that is devoted to producing plant matter for the cow to eat. Producing meat is much less efficient than using the land to produce vegetables, grains and beans to directly feed to people because at the end of the day you still need to use land to produce matter either for people or cows. Or even using the land to produce plant matter for insects to eat is more efficient.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Thats an old bs. People living in cities do not know that not every square meter of land can be used for growing crops. And herding livestock on pastures is a very efficient way to transform unedible plants/grass (which do not require fertilization or growing cycles btw) in meat, eggs or dairy products, essential for our survival since when we left our nomadic lifestyle. Not to mention that intensive agriculture, just like intensive herding, is not sustainable in the long run, it literally destroys the soil and requires tons of chemical fertlizers.

[FIBBIDEH]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Originally posted by FIBBIDEH:

1) the physiological differences between a human and a cow are not nearly as much as that between a person and an alien. Any diseases or bacteria native to any planet will either be incapable of being a threat to the alien, or will completely destroy them. Due to the advances in medicine in this game and how my pops aren't disappearing from the space plague, I'm going to say any disease will fall into the former's category.

2) there doesn't need to be that much land to raise cattle here on earth. Think factory farms. Those delicious xenos will never see the light of day ever again. Thanks to advances in hydroponics, feeding them will be that much easier. all females, or female equivalent, will be perpetually in a state of breeding (pregnant, egg laying, or what-have-you) in order to keep up with the population culling.

It isn't about the land that the cow lives on directly, it is the land that is devoted to producing plant matter for the cow to eat. Producing meat is much less efficient than using the land to produce vegetables, grains and beans to directly feed to people because at the end of the day you still need to use land to produce matter either for people or cows. Or even using the land to produce plant matter for insects to eat is more efficient.

My livestock xenos aren't exactly free-range frolicking in the fields on my ecumenopolis, they're trapped in the basement of some waste processing facility living off of the scraps on the people living in the arcologies high above them. What would have been separated into it's fluids, to be recycled into the water system, and it's solids, to be processed as energy or fertilizer is re-purposed into food for our food. One citizen's trash is some xono's staple diet.

They aren't being raised on a farm in some wide open pasture. It's more of a "factory farm" where the plot of land which the processing facility is located IS their "housing". They never leave this building. They live on cheap refuse of some sightly modified preexisting recycling facilities until they are fat and get slaughtered. Not one living past their 20's, maybe even their teens, much like the cattle here on Earth.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Thats horrible, I usually play as human space fascist but salves/residents xenos are treated well when not displaced

[sortulf]

Livestock do not require a lot of space - they are therefore excellent occupants of habitats. You do not feed them the good food, just leftover scraps - algae and similar perhaps. And some of them taste quite well with a cool chianti.