Current state of the game?

[Porkechebure]

Hello, I'm totally new to the game but I like space and 4x games.
I don't know about stellaris but read lot of good reviews about the base game.

As I hate to buy games when there are dlc available, I usually get the whole package with all dlcs.

You know that sensation like "Hey I'm playing the game without all the new stuff, I will spend hundred of hours missing all the extra content, I feel like playing half the game"?

So I usually get the whole package.

BUT,
I read a lot of bad stuff in the dlc reviews, and, that they change the game mechanics a lot and as a whole (meaning once you get a dlc, the game rules are changed since the beginning of the game for your whole gameplay).

So, as of now, I'd really like to get into it, but I'm hesitant to buy it as it seems all the dlcs pretty much cripple it instead of improving it.

Can I get all your opinions?

Should one buy the normal game and then dlcs? Should one buy the whole package? Are they worth it or not? Should one buy dlcs until a certain point in the time?

Also, I read that the games still get regularly updated and patched, is that still true? Do the devs still work on the game?

Thank you for your time

[The Doctor]

Publicado originalmente por Meewec:

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

However, having said that, I've said this before and it's worth repeating here, IMO, they really should have just halted all work on Stellaris with the FTL change and made an all-new game which folks who had already bought the game could have had for free.

this would functionally be no different than the current method of them allowing people to roll back. people unhappy with the changes would still be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about how they were abandoned while stellaris2 moved forward.

I know because I said exactly that in the paragraph immediately following the one you quoted...

However, having said that, I've said this before and it's worth repeating here, IMO, they really should have just halted all work on Stellaris with the FTL change and made an all-new game which folks who had already bought the game could have had for free.

But they did what they did and even doing that would still have angered some folks who didn't want the change because they expected to see years and years of post-release support and they didn't get it.

[Kayden_II]

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

Well it is hard to comprehend "being upset" about a video game.

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

But I guess that first world problems do exist.

The other side of the coin of your proposed attitude is the one that Paradox hasn't to take its own business sooo seriously ( as long as the profits remain at 0 bucks since from this point the "first-world-problems" of Paradox begin to kick in ) and to work for us "for free" until PC-Stellaris and all of its already released DLCs ( including the upcoming "Federations" ) are FINALLY and REALLY completed, fixed, optimized and balanced.

Just in case you haven't checked it: Customers take their purchases as serious as a company like Paradox its own business since otherwise customers wouldn't have maded said purchases in the first place or even "better": Customers would've given away their money "for free". Long story short: Your "advice" that customers have to give in ( as if they have to be charitable ) remains as the usual apologist-BS.

[Heckin' computer]

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

Diminutive address, Appeal to Seniority/Authority, generalizations

White-washing, hand-waving, disrespect, followed by generalizing and appealing to uninformed sympathy

And just because some things don't get fixed doesn't mean that they're ignoring the issue. There are also many reasons why games have bugs in them at the end of their development lives and it's not because the devs were too lazy to fix them. -Ed emphasis mine

Again with the "Lazy dev" trope. How about Exec incompetence, how about that? What evidence can you provide that said bugs have ever been addressed or will be at all? Is it unreasonable for customers to expect on the basis of claimed "...continued/ing support" that actual, identifiable problems with the software would be addressed in the context of years worth of ongoing so-called updates? Is that even a little bit unreasonable? Where is the evidence?

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

Appeals to Popularity, Cherry-picking, Regression fallacies, Relevance fallacies

(Ed- not only from this poster in this particular post, but also featured in this post)

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

But what's the point of any of this? It's not going to make the slightest bit of difference to you. If you want to be angry, fine, on you go but it's much better to be happy. A LOT better. Trust me, I know ;)

"Just take it, ♥♥♥♥♥"

Na

Medice, cura te ipsum

[The Doctor]

Publicado originalmente por Kayden_II:

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

Well it is hard to comprehend "being upset" about a video game.

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

But I guess that first world problems do exist.

The other side of the coin of your proposed attitude is the one that Paradox hasn't to take its own business sooo seriously ( as long as the profits remain at 0 bucks ) and to work for us for free until PC-Stellaris and all of its already released DLCs ( including the upcoming "Federations" ) are FINALLY and REALLY completed, fixed, optimized and balanced.

Just in case you haven't checked it: Customers take their purchases as serious as a company like Paradox its own business since otherwise customers wouldn't have maded said purchases in the first place or even "better": Customers would give away their money for free. Long story short: Your "advice" that the customers have to give in remains as the usual apologist-BS.

None of us are struggling to put food or water on the tables for our familes. We're not living in countries wracked by civil wars where we may be taken from our homes, tortured and murdered. Of course fretting over a video game is an absolutely trivial issue. I can't beleive anyone would try to argue that it has any gravity whatsoever. It's on a par with arguing about the quality of wine or cheese or whether there is anything valuable to learn from watching Hollywood action movies.

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not rich. I do consider my purchases very carefully and I'm sure almost all of us do the same so you're not any better or wiser than the rest of us. I don't give my money away to devs for free and I'm aware that there are some bad actors on the scene. You think Paradox is one of them, you'd probably go so far as to say that you KNOW they are because your opinion trumps ours, but I don't think they are at all. They're certainly far from perfect and they've scored some pretty spectacular own goals in the last few years but I happen to like their games and I suspect, so do you ;)

[anaphylactic god]

okey, so
its good or not ?

[Kayden_II]

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

None of us are struggling to put food or water on the tables for our familes. We're not living in countries wracked by civil wars where we may be taken from our homes, tortured and murdered.

And ? Paradox doesn't struggle with food, water, the support of their families ( especially the kids, the KIDS !!! ) etc. pp. either. Their profits are over 0 and exactly from this point on we've "just" to deal with their "first-world-problem" which comes basically down to pure greediness. It's "cute" at the beginning, but we've now reached a point in which said greediness has manifested in ( GUARANTEED ) incomplete, buggy, unoptimized and unbalanced releases paired with the ( SUBPAR ) minimum of an actual support afterwards. Ongoing problems are neglected for a zillion of years in favour for new stuff in new DLCs. Not to mention their usual "hot-air"-PR-statements, the censorship in their own forum and other more "dubious" methods they're using.

Long story short: Paradox is acting like a spoiled child you've spared the rod too much and it's not more "acceptable" just because Paradox is not the most spoiled child out there.

[Apples]

Publicado originalmente por anaphylactic god:

okey, so
its good or not ?

I like it, i played Endless Space 2 and that feels empty compared to this on the exploration side of things.

AI - sucks in both, however with Crisis situations in Stellaris, it makes up for the AI being pants to a degree, as it adds late game difficulty.

Empires - are generic sadly, i do miss the uniqueness of ES2 Empires, but the AI couldn't even use em properly.

Systems - I prefer those from ES2, far superior and definitely something i miss, easy to use, easy to handle and it's nice to look at.


Overall i prefer Stellaris due to having more things to do, the AI being a bit more capable late game, and the general randomness, as you may experience different crisis events, leviathans, exploration events, different L-Cluster, each time you replay.



Oh and modding, which always helps.



If the unique ES2 Empires and System setup were brought into Stellaris, it would be wunderbar.

[DankDansk]

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

Publicado originalmente por mccartneyconnor280:

I was advertised a game that i do not have now. Last time I checked, that's false advertising

You still have that game. You chose to not revert to the state of the game when you bought it.

Publicado originalmente por Athmet:

@army for you:
https://youtu.be/Xct9gM3wM4U

I have a different game with the same title. Massive change in the game.

Like I said before; you bought a blue car and it turned pink, and if you roll it back, you cannot have it repaired or improved.

[DankDansk]

Publicado originalmente por Kayden_II:

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

None of us are struggling to put food or water on the tables for our familes. We're not living in countries wracked by civil wars where we may be taken from our homes, tortured and murdered.

And ? Paradox doesn't struggle with food, water, the support of their families ( especially the kids, the KIDS !!! ) etc. pp. either. Their profits are over 0 and exactly from this point on we've "just" to deal with their "first-world-problem" which comes basically down to pure greediness. It's "cute" at the beginning, but we've now reached a point in which said greediness has manifested in ( GUARANTEED ) incomplete, buggy, unoptimized and unbalanced releases paired with the ( SUBPAR ) minimum of an actual support afterwards. Ongoing problems are neglected for a zillion of years in favour for new stuff in new DLCs. Not to mention their usual "hot-air"-PR-statements, the censorship in their own forum and other more "dubious" methods they're using.

Long story short: Paradox is acting like a spoiled child you've spared the rod too much and it's not more "acceptable" just because Paradox is not the most spoiled child out there.

And this is why hey need to be punished financially before they get their ♥♥♥♥ together.

[DankDansk]

Publicado originalmente por Kayden_II:

Publicado originalmente por The Doctor:

None of us are struggling to put food or water on the tables for our familes. We're not living in countries wracked by civil wars where we may be taken from our homes, tortured and murdered.

And ? Paradox doesn't struggle with food, water, the support of their families ( especially the kids, the KIDS !!! ) etc. pp. either. Their profits are over 0 and exactly from this point on we've "just" to deal with their "first-world-problem" which comes basically down to pure greediness. It's "cute" at the beginning, but we've now reached a point in which said greediness has manifested in ( GUARANTEED ) incomplete, buggy, unoptimized and unbalanced releases paired with the ( SUBPAR ) minimum of an actual support afterwards. Ongoing problems are neglected for a zillion of years in favour for new stuff in new DLCs. Not to mention their usual "hot-air"-PR-statements, the censorship in their own forum and other more "dubious" methods they're using.

Long story short: Paradox is acting like a spoiled child you've spared the rod too much and it's not more "acceptable" just because Paradox is not the most spoiled child out there.

Other developers do what PDX does Better, and without DLC.

Funny how apologists avoid that like the black death.

[DankDansk]

I wonder where army pea went. Maybe he lied.

[Meewec]

Publicado originalmente por mccartneyconnor280:

I wonder where army pea went. Maybe he lied.

it's only been 12 hours, sleep + work can easily cover that be patient.

same goes for stellaris performance, they said they intend for federations to at the very least not make it worse and then they're going to focus on improving performance. calm down and give them a chance to follow through with that statement.

[ksen]

Publicado originalmente por Meewec:

they're going to focus on improving performance.

Ain't they doing that since game release?

[DankDansk]

Publicado originalmente por ksen:

Publicado originalmente por Meewec:

they're going to focus on improving performance.

Ain't they doing that since game release?

They say they are. PDX's words mean nothing to me now.

[Sabaithal]

Publicado originalmente por mccartneyconnor280:

Publicado originalmente por ksen:

Ain't they doing that since game release?

They say they are. PDX's words mean nothing to me now.

Yeah, PDX doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to doing what they say they are going to do.

Sure, they do it, but usually not in the best way, and sometimes its rushed, and breaks half the game, and then they prioritize releasing DLC over fixing it. For 3 major updates.