Why play with Imperial authority?

[Keyastian]

I mean, since you can't decide the next ruler, why would it be better than dictatorial? what are the pros and cons???

[Flaming Badger]

"In recent(last 2 years tops) goverments are accauly showing an interest into games(and only 4 years ago they started to pay attation to the dangerous of the internet, yes goverments are that slow.)"

I take it you're still a teenager and too young to remember the Jack Thompson days. Or when the Singaporean government banned Mass Effect for being too lesbian. Or when the Australian governement banned any game with a R rating up until 2013, leading to games like GTA III and Fallout 3 being banned. That's off the top of my head. China literally banned video game consoles for like 15 years.

Video games have always had a hard time getting approval from governments because they were traditionally seen as something exclusively for kids, and thus sex and violence in video games has been treated as worse than in film and television. It's only as the average age of gamers has pushed up into the 30s that things have gotten easier.

You're other claim (only paying attention to the dangers of the internet for FOUR years) is even sillier. Don't you remember Napster? Of course you don't. Don't you remember the WikiLeaks cables release in 2010? The Arab Spring?

And of course there's China.

Yes, governments are slow. They're not that slow. Yes the internet was (and still, to a fair extent, is) the Wild West, but even so governements have always had at least one eye on it.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Azor:

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

The worst you can do is enslave people.

Sure, slavery is much worse than genocide.

And both are better than displacing your own native species in favor of an inferior alien species.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

The worst you can do is enslave people.

I wish to shake your hand mister. Xenocide isn't a crime, it's our sacred duty ^_^

[Rivazar]

Imperial gives 2 government traits that are unavailable to other governments.
1) Feudal society (more like role play or try if you are bored with usual traits)
2) Imperial cult (one of best traits in game).

Plus I like psy people electing chosen one as immortal divine emperor. So you automatically get Imprerial gov.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Festive Muggins:

I kinda understand the predicament
I mean what kind of supreme ruler are u if u only have 1 heir? Why not have a family of 8 kids running around the palace
only to have to choose 1 and have them assassinate each ot... OH now I see why Paradox hasnt touch this kind of subject

Uh Crusader Kings 2 lets you eat your kids and breed with your grandson so....

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by Flaming Badger:

I take it you're still a teenager and too young to remember the Jack Thompson days. Or when the Singaporean government banned Mass Effect for being too lesbian. Or when the Australian governement banned any game with a R rating up until 2013, leading to games like GTA III and Fallout 3 being banned. That's off the top of my head. China literally banned video game consoles for like 15 years.

30 for the last two years if you wish to know.
Your example's is the goverment joining on the games corrupt our childeren band wagon.
Also china has a control freak goverment that hate's everything that goes against the party line:
China is the greatest nation in the world, The goverment is always right and forerniors are baberians with no cocept of personal hygine.

When i mention they are accauly paying attation i mean it as in accauly helping the gamers and not joining the hate wageon.
Forcing refunds and banning lootboxes is a very small first step.
Hopefull it will keep the corperation in line.
I doubt it but one can hope.

Originally posted by Flaming Badger:

Video games have always had a hard time getting approval from governments because they were traditionally seen as something exclusively for kids, and thus sex and violence in video games has been treated as worse than in film and television. It's only as the average age of gamers has pushed up into the 30s that things have gotten easier.

Yes the anoying hate wagon.
Which is what i ment with them paying attation and not just copying whatever the media is saying.

Originally posted by Flaming Badger:

You're other claim (only paying attention to the dangers of the internet for FOUR years) is even sillier. Don't you remember Napster? Of course you don't. Don't you remember the WikiLeaks cables release in 2010? The Arab Spring?

Napster was shut down but i cant recall the reason, Wikileaks showed how little effort they put into anti hacking, Never heard of arab spring.
I remember it was the corperations who made anti virsus, It was hackers who took down erotice rings. I dont remember the goverment doing anything to protect its people.
Even china is more interested in controling the internet then protecting its people.

Originally posted by Flaming Badger:

And of course there's China.

To be fair china is very much a control freak.
They see the dangers of having foreign influence on there people.

Originally posted by Flaming Badger:

Yes, governments are slow. They're not that slow. Yes the internet was (and still, to a fair extent, is) the Wild West, but even so governements have always had at least one eye on it.

I remember goverment wanted too(and probley to some extended succeded) censor the internet.
I remember them only recently bothered to give the police the means to fight cybercrime.
I remember several news reports on how outdated and poorly protected there servers are.
Goverments are very set in there ways.
When something like the internet comes along.
It is like trying to teach an old guy how to open an email.
Anyone who has had to do that will tell you how frustrating it is to explain simple concepts to a mind that refuses to accept new things.

When i say goverment are paying attation i mean it as they are finaly seeing it as a major part of life and not something those youngsters keep talking about.
It probley also help that most of the old politicans where nice enough to retire.

I think you underestimate how out of touch goverments are with the rest of the world.
Between low ranking goverment employee's who cant be fired and just want to get there paycheck to politicans behaving like there in collage and trying to be part of the cool nations club rather then dealing with the growing poverty i think i am giving the goverments of the world too much creddit for not falling apart.

There is a difference between knowing something exist and accaully paying attation towards it.

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

The worst you can do is enslave people.

I wish to shake your hand mister. Xenocide isn't a crime, it's our sacred duty ^_^

I just dont see it as something special.
We gamers regularly murder entire nations in games.
Murder is so commen in games it boreds me.
Wiping out an entire race in stellaris is like destroying an ant hill or bee hive.
Sure there alive but not really people.

My biggest complaint about stellaris is how little pops mean.
They arent people.
They just a resourse.
The more politic mod is a good example of how to make the population be more alive.
Religeus zealots rumored to want to commits acts of terror in your nation.
If you refuse them it causes friction between your nations.
If you trust them nothing might happen or bombings might happen and your people are pissed at you.
Or you could just watch them(the middle road)
Having xeno's send groups to live with eatchother and getting a buff or debuff to your relationship with said nation depending on the outcome.
Having your leader accused of wasting money on the poor forcing you to either retire in shame(buff) ignore them(debuff) or have reformce if you have the right faction in your empire.
Having to choice if you are going to band xeno merraige or not.

Those things it what stellaris is missing.
I dont feel like i am running an empire.
I feel like i am watching numbers grow so i can finaly build that new building.
Having slave owners vs slave liberators in your empire lobbying to get there way or kidnapping without enslaving pop's accauly leading to massive strikes, factor sabotage and other negative outcomes because you just kidnaped an entire planet worth of people.
That is what stellaris needs.

[Muggins]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Uh Crusader Kings 2 lets you eat your kids and breed with your grandson so....

thats f*cked up
....
I'll stick with genocide thx

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Originally posted by Stormsong the Fallen:

I could just be missing the joke, but PDX has DEFINITELY touched on this subject lol.

I believe the joke was the paradox didnt want to make it crusader kings II in space.
Also with politcal correct overdrive we have these days a game like crusader kings II would have been banned.
Because showing how horrible people can be is wrong somehow.

Those who dont learn from the pass are doomed to repeat it seems to have been forgotten.

Uh, what? We have reality TV. Its everywhere. And you're saying that we don't show people being horrible? I could come up with more examples btw.

[tankuwell]

I dont like alien filth running my empire.

[tankuwell]

Originally posted by Muggins:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Uh Crusader Kings 2 lets you eat your kids and breed with your grandson so....

thats f*cked up
....
I'll stick with genocide thx

Love that Game ...I enjoy the reddit also haha things said and asked

[Vyndicu]

I generally don't like mandates provided by democracy as you can run out of planet deposits for mandate. Then you would have to "cheese" it by going back and destroy your research outpost then rebuild to fulfill your mandate.

I don't like having to deal with leader leaving your leader pool and your leader coming back etc natural of both Oligarchic and Dictatorial. Although for Dictorial it take longer since they rule for life and is bit more bearable. By the way Mega-corp has the same oligarchic election system so yeah.

That leaves both forms of gestalt conscience and Imperial as my personal preference.

[_ALuX_]

Democratic = I get boosts to unity at the cost of me shelling out influence to keep my guy in office or select the bonuses I want from a different cantidate every ten years.

Oligarcy = I can keep my buffs from leaders longer at the cost of the unity buff. I still need to crank out influence though.

Dictatoral = I can keep my leader buffs for life but I need influence to spend in order to pick a good cantidate.

Imperial = I can keep my leader but I can't choose his sucessor.

Gestalt = Send help I'm drowning in unspent influence.

[Locklave]

Originally posted by Azor:

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

The worst you can do is enslave people.

Sure, slavery is much worse than genocide.

I'm reading that as sarcastic, in which case I agree. Slavery can end and people can get freedom. Genocide is forever, making it the worst thing.

[Lady Crimson (RIP)]

It also ensures that the ruler is part of your main species. Like if you go psionic it makes them psionic. As well as whatever other traits you want your leaders/rulers to have you can genetically add to your main species in a diversified empire.

(making every other species something non-leader based to take advantage of them just being pops)

[Keyastian]

Originally posted by Lady Crimson:

It also ensures that the ruler is part of your main species.

That's a thing.

I think paradox should add this in species rights, something about rights to rule, cuz I don't like others aliens to become the ruler of my nation