Market leader

[Kraft]

Is there a way to forfeit it? I acquired it because I didnt knew what I was doing and now there is piracy in my dang places(im a robot race i dont know why i even got market leader)

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Market Leader isn't connected to piracy. Also, Market Leader doesn't just happen, you have to nominate one of your planets for it, and then it goes to the planet with the highest trade value output from among the nominated candidates. Since Machine Intelligences don't produce trade value, it isn't possible for one to become the host of the Galactic Market.

Because of all of this, I expect that you are using mods, which are probably malfunctioning. Those malfunctions are probably the cause of what you are experiencing. Remove any of your mods that are no specifically designed to work with the version of the game you are playing, and start a new game. If the problem happens again then remove all of your mods and start a new game.

[IPWIW]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Also, Market Leader doesn't just happen, you have to nominate one of your planets for it, and then it goes to the planet with the highest trade value output from among the nominated candidates.

it actually just "happens",every country have a base weight to be selected,nominating just increase the chance,even the crisis can take the market for some reason
https://imgur.com/gallery/bW96SQe ,trade value doesn't effect this

[Kraft]

Originally posted by IPWIW:

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Also, Market Leader doesn't just happen, you have to nominate one of your planets for it, and then it goes to the planet with the highest trade value output from among the nominated candidates.

it actually just "happens",every country have a base weight to be selected,nominating just increase the chance,even the crisis can take the market for some reason
https://imgur.com/gallery/bW96SQe ,trade value doesn't effect this

I mean, I do use mods, yeah. But i've been reading around and yes, market leader seems to just "happen". It;s not connected to trade value at all.

[Astasia]

Ya trade value doesn't have anything to do with it. I see Hive Minds and Machine Empires get market leader all the time.

It's true it has nothing to do with piracy though, there is no downside for having market leader. You can get piracy in your space as a machine empire or hive mind if normal empire trade routes go through your systems or if you conquer some of their systems with existing piracy. In the later case you can bring your fleets into the system to 0 out piracy and it shouldn't go back up.

[Kraft]

Ah I see. I wonder why machines and hives can get market leader though lol

[Astasia]

Why wouldn't they? They can benefit from the galactic market and the reduced tax just as much as anyone else.

[Sabaithal]

I didn't nominate any of my planets for the market, it was founded by someone else, then I became the market leader anyway after buying huge amounts of alloys. I think this mechanic is just inconsequential or broken.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

I've never seen Hive Minds or Machine Empires get market leader. I've never gotten it unless I promoted myself. When I promote myself, a modifier is applied to the planet I promote indicating the strength of my chance to become market leader. I've never gotten market leader unless the strength of my claim was "strong", which only happens when my trade value output is very high. When I have less trade value output, the strength of my claim is less. Indeed, the strength of my claim appears to always be tied to my trade value output.

However, I haven't tested vigorously to verify these casual observations. The sample size of games that I have played is small compared to the number of samples that would need to be made to rule out statistical anomalies. And, I can't rule out the possiblity of a bug in the base game, which I somehow haven't triggered myself, causing the behavior others are describing.

So, I could be wrong. I will have to investigate further.

Originally posted by Herr Von Kraft:

Ah I see. I wonder why machines and hives can get market leader though lol

They should not be able to get it. Market leader is supposed to go to the empire with the highest trade value (or possibly one of the highest, if there is a random element involved). In terms of game mechanics, winning the right to host the galactic market gives you a market discount, which is a reward for developing (one of) the strongest trade value outputs in the galaxy. So if Hive Minds or Machine Empires are being selected as host then it is a bug or a malfunctioning mod that is causing that.

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Edit: I did some quick reasearch on this topic and I don't see a lot of definite answers. Other people elsewhere are reporting the same thing others are saying in this thread, which is that the leader seems to be chosen completely randomly, without regard to trade value or any other factor. They are also seeing Hive Minds and Machine Empires chosen as host for the market.

So, I'm probably just wrong, and projecting my wishfull thinking and personal bias onto the situation.

Hopefully they will reconsider how market leader selection works in the future and tie it to in-game factors that makes sense.

[IPWIW]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

So, I'm probably just wrong, and projecting my wishfull thinking and personal bias onto the situation.

just read the code(and start wondering how the fack ai empire get deactivated dlc content if there's host_has_dlc = dlcname checks in the randomizer)

to be selected,you need to have the market event chain,and just that allows you to have a base weight of 1 when "Market Founder luck-of-the-draw"(event footnote) happens

the nomination is the weird part,you actually get 1~3 rating level based on another "luck-of-the-draw" with weight modifiers:
rating 1:weight of 9,times 0.33 if megacorp
rating 2:weight of 6 ,no modifiers
rating 3:weight of 1 ,times 9 if megacorp,and times 200 if Ecumenopolis


THEN you get to boost your rating by 2
you could renominate the same planet and try to get better rating,but since one planet can only be boosted twice and it doesn't get refreshed,you should do that before boosting(already too much influence cost)

rating level 1~5:Weak->Adequate->Strong->Exceptional->Perfect

and in the Market Founder draw,each rating level give only 10 additional wieght on top of the base 1(max 1+50),and the better thing is the founder is draw from every country with the event(your chance=your wieht/everyone's weight sum),so why am i still wasting influence on this ♥♥♥♥


TLDR:megacorp,Ecumenopolis,renominate to get strong rating&boost bid,nothing else you can do(wait maybe killing empires helps HMMMMM)

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Hopefully they will reconsider how market leader selection works in the future and tie it to in-game factors that makes sense.

i do hope there's some options other than pure(bad)luck in the game(hey remeber that 24 mining ditricts planet? it's just a holograph!)

[Kraft]

I mean it's not like I mind it that much, and they already said they are going to be revamping the diplomacy in the near future so i can only hope they make the game 100x better. I really like it already, though.