Genetic ascention path feels meh

[likho1eye]

Anyone else feels it is significantly subpar to psionic and synth paths?

Unlike other two, it doesn't give a significant boost to leaders, and managing pops on planet level is much harder than just building templated synths for a specific purpose.

It also conflicts with Xenophobe factions happiness, which is weird. I would think Fanatic Purifiers would be all about genetic perfection.

[CMDR Emotions]

The xenophobic thing is the fact you left pops un-modded. Xenophob factions get real mad when the dominant species/founder species isn't all genetically the same (same traits).

Good thing to remember is that colony ship pops don't get modded when in transit.

[cooltv27]

bio ascension is easily the worst path even if you dont use the robo modding that synths gives.
bio should be about specialization (each pop great at 1 thing) while synth is generalization (all pops good at everything) yet synth is still better at both

and xenophobe gets completely screwed over by ascension paths. go psionic and your pops are not longer the main species so they all get purged. go synth and your pops get purged while cyborgs, go bio and you survive, but the faction is really unhappy

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by cooltv27:

bio ascension is easily the worst path even if you dont use the robo modding that synths gives.
bio should be about specialization (each pop great at 1 thing) while synth is generalization (all pops good at everything) yet synth is still better at both

and xenophobe gets completely screwed over by ascension paths. go psionic and your pops are not longer the main species so they all get purged. go synth and your pops get purged while cyborgs, go bio and you survive, but the faction is really unhappy

Psionic path worked fine for my Fanatic Purifier empire, although it did create a spiritualist faction (I was Fanatic Xenophone + Militarist).
But other than that it works just fine.

[cooltv27]

Originally posted by Disrespecter of Whamen:

Originally posted by cooltv27:

bio ascension is easily the worst path even if you dont use the robo modding that synths gives.
bio should be about specialization (each pop great at 1 thing) while synth is generalization (all pops good at everything) yet synth is still better at both

and xenophobe gets completely screwed over by ascension paths. go psionic and your pops are not longer the main species so they all get purged. go synth and your pops get purged while cyborgs, go bio and you survive, but the faction is really unhappy

Psionic path worked fine for my Fanatic Purifier empire, although it did create a spiritualist faction (I was Fanatic Xenophone + Militarist).
But other than that it works just fine.

just the other day my friend told me that all his pops got enslaved with nothing he could do about it when he went psionic

this actually just makes me more angry that bio ascension isnt even good...

[Jay]

I think taking biological ascention is one of those things for when you want to avoid the materialist and the spiritualist factions. It's atleast equal to the Synthetic ascention if you can gets your planets to 100% happiness, which isn't too hard to do in the late game.

The main upside of synthetic is the ability to customize every slot on a planet with ease and immortal leaders. It does cost much more minerals though. If you focus your planets into specific resources then biological ascention is just as good.

Also if you are a materialist empire who synthetically ascends and there's a spiritualist fallen/awakened empire anywhere on the map they will come for you. Even if you havn't met them yet. It makes beelining for synthetic ascention very dangerous on large galaxies.

Slaver empires benefit from biological ascention the most, being able to fully customize your slave races for any task, along with the bonus's slaves get from the various upgrades is extremely strong.

[Lain]

Bio ascention is ♥♥♥♥, its so ♥♥♥♥ that i am honestly happier to not pick any then to pick it. My reasoning is what at most you can hope for is double life span leaders and a bit eco boost. Bio ascention could be amazing but paradox needs to add traits to make it worth choosing. If you go psi you get crazy shroud buffs, leader buffs and more. Robotic gets immortal leaders and other great stuff. Like if you want eco take machines and void born

[cooltv27]

bio ascension beats synthetic ascenion in mineral production only, synthetic beats bio in everything else
synths get 30% increase to minerals (with, 1 trait), while bio gets 45% (with 4 traits)
synths get 30% energy (1 trait), bio gets 30% (2 traits)
synths get 30% research (1 trait), bio gets 25% (2 traits)
synths get 35% unity (1 trait), bio gets 30 (3 traits)
synths are immortal (default), bio gets 130 (2 traits)
the only other place bio really beats synth is in food, but thats not nearly good enough to make up for losing at almost everything else

bio ascension should replace the trait options you have with ones that have double their standard power (maybe triple) and give a trait that makes leaders immortal, but without costing more trait points

[Chastity the Celibate]

Biological Ascension needs to be buffed (more traits)

[LuNi]

Originally posted by cooltv27:

bio ascension is easily the worst path even if you dont use the robo modding that synths gives.
bio should be about specialization (each pop great at 1 thing) while synth is generalization (all pops good at everything) yet synth is still better at both

and xenophobe gets completely screwed over by ascension paths. go psionic and your pops are not longer the main species so they all get purged. go synth and your pops get purged while cyborgs, go bio and you survive, but the faction is really unhappy

You just have to change all of your species to the same template at the same time no? It will take extremely long and stop society research for the duration, but then there are no genetic impurities.

[cooltv27]

Originally posted by LuNi:

Originally posted by cooltv27:

bio ascension is easily the worst path even if you dont use the robo modding that synths gives.
bio should be about specialization (each pop great at 1 thing) while synth is generalization (all pops good at everything) yet synth is still better at both

and xenophobe gets completely screwed over by ascension paths. go psionic and your pops are not longer the main species so they all get purged. go synth and your pops get purged while cyborgs, go bio and you survive, but the faction is really unhappy

You just have to change all of your species to the same template at the same time no? It will take extremely long and stop society research for the duration, but then there are no genetic impurities.

that still counts as a subspecies of your main species which still upsets xenophobe

[LuNi]

Originally posted by cooltv27:

Originally posted by LuNi:

You just have to change all of your species to the same template at the same time no? It will take extremely long and stop society research for the duration, but then there are no genetic impurities.

that still counts as a subspecies of your main species which still upsets xenophobe

That's pretty stupid. Is this actually intended or just a bug?

[cooltv27]

Originally posted by LuNi:

Originally posted by cooltv27:

that still counts as a subspecies of your main species which still upsets xenophobe

That's pretty stupid. Is this actually intended or just a bug?

intended? yes. reasonable? no

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by cooltv27:

Originally posted by LuNi:

You just have to change all of your species to the same template at the same time no? It will take extremely long and stop society research for the duration, but then there are no genetic impurities.

that still counts as a subspecies of your main species which still upsets xenophobe

No, I just tried it. If you change everyone into a single template, Genetic Purity issue remains positive.

[cooltv27]

Originally posted by Disrespecter of Whamen:

Originally posted by cooltv27:

that still counts as a subspecies of your main species which still upsets xenophobe

No, I just tried it. If you change everyone into a single template, Genetic Purity issue remains positive.

was this 2.0 or 2.0.2?

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by cooltv27:

Originally posted by Disrespecter of Whamen:

No, I just tried it. If you change everyone into a single template, Genetic Purity issue remains positive.

was this 2.0 or 2.0.2?

2.0