Peer-to-Peer Multiplayer

[OtherACTION]

Revert the multiplayer aspect back to what it was so players won't have to go through the lengthy process to figure out how to do Port Forwarding or need a dedicated server or even pay for a server just to play multiplayer.

Currently how the game is, its not multiplayer friendly & the fact that you need to setup Port Forwarding is quite literally taking a step backwards on how multiplayer works making it even harder for friends to play in each others worlds.

I understand about the servers like every other game which is not an issue, but reverting to Port Forwarding is not only dangerous for hacking, its also not ideal as how lengthy the process is and requires a direct connection to the players computer just to play. Before we were able to play Peer-to-Peer which is a fast and easy process of just finding your friends and joining in on them but now because its been reverted, no one can really play with each other any more.

This is honestly saddening for players who return after years away from the game just to find out we have to go through the outdated way of playing with friends online.

[entuland]

The game has never had peer-to-peer - if anything, the current system is peer-to-peer past the need to authenticate with the Steam servers.

In the past players could easily play together just because we had central servers up to host the worlds.

Removing those servers was the main point of The Definitive Edition: it was either this or shutting the game down for everyone, cause the game wasn't profitable enough to sustain the costs of hosting worlds for free for all the players.

Port forwarding isn't a lenghty process: it takes just a few minutes assuming nothing else gets in the way, and we provide live support to all players who are willing to invest the little time needed to check whether port forwarding is feasible at all.

Nothing against your suggestion of course - just wanted to provide the information: I wish we could make things simpler, we literally can't as of right now, we barely managed to save the game from complete shutdown and it's still not clear if the game will be able to sustain the costs of keeping the development up in the near future.

[OtherACTION]

So reverting to Port Forwarding to play with friends in which kills games is the way to go while removing the F2P aspect and charging new players $24.99 for the game just to find out they cannot play with their friends is a Positive for the game????

[entuland]

Originally posted by OtherACTION:

So reverting to Port Forwarding to play with friends in which kills games is the way to go while removing the F2P aspect and charging new players $24.99 for the game just to find out they cannot play with their friends is a Positive for the game????

We consider the current situation better than having shut down the game for everyone, with no one able to play the game anymore, that's correct.

We have gifted The Definitive Edition for free to all past Free to Play players (almost five million players), but if we want the development to keep up, we need to get the resources from somewhere.

There's no microtransactions anymore, there's no in-game store anymore, all the game content is part of the game - if new players want to play Creativerse they need to buy it, that's correct.

[OtherACTION]

But the main issue is about players are unable to play with their friends like they were able to before these changes.

Forcing players to go through Port Forwarding (dangerous), pay for dedicated servers or host their own servers is not what the players want to choose from when they want to just casually play with their friends.

I spent nearly an hour with my friend today just to learn that the old way of connecting to each other is no longer the way to play with friends, and this quite literally is the reason why people are turning away from the game.

If the player needs to follow a lengthy guide just to learn how to play with a friend, its no longer a game worth playing. This is how the average player sees this game currently.

Plus there is no information on the store page saying you need to use a guide or any information of Port Forwarding in order to play multiplayer with your friends. This will lead to misleading actions due to not being multiplayer friendly as you need a guide in order to play with your friends for a few hours.

[entuland]

The guide ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rAeuk7qFinUyPRJGk4x6Dim3rmQN2zoLaR3PNR0roU4/edit ) is pinned in these forums, linked by the help pages in the creativersegame.com website and linked from various "?" and "Help" buttons in-game - main screen, play screen, esc screen while in a world.

We have a support address and a Discord server and I am personally available to provide live support if you want - entuland#7134

[OtherACTION]

Like I said, if you NEED A GUIDE TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER its not a game worth playing, this is how the average player now days think and act, continuing to justify this is turning players away. Its like telling players to open up backdoors for hackers to they can play this game with their friends. I have also read multiple posts and reviews about how people are unable to play with their friends any more and how they wont bother trying to learn how to do it. This should be an indicator that the new current way to playing with friends is not what the people want and further pushes new players away.

[entuland]

Just for the records: my previous reply wasn't a reply to your latest message, I just happened to want to add the link to the guide and provide more details.

You raise valid points and those points have all been taken in account when we decided not to shut the game down and try to keep it alive.

We just didn't have any other option.

[OtherACTION]

In the end, this game is doomed with the current way multiplayer is being used. I just hope this game will be able to last for the next year or 2 based on how players need to use unsafe methods just to play with their friends.

If anything its great single-player but its no longer a multiplayer game, which most players are looking for.

[@WitWGARA #WitWGARA /WitWGARA]

I completely agree with OtherACTION! We literally had a tech professional go over the guide, out network settings, and PC firewall settings, as well as done several network diagnostics, yet no matter what we could not get the server to respond, or even show that it was listening on the ports. the only bit of the game/Server that "works" is the web server for the Admin console! NOTHING ELSE ACTUALLY WORKS!

[@WitWGARA #WitWGARA /WitWGARA]

We had started playing before the The Definitive Edition was released... So I got the game free, so we bought 3 other licenses for other people to play with us, and recommended it to another family member who bought the game... the the "The Definitive Edition" happened. EVERYTHING is now BROKEN and useless to all of us.

[entuland]

Originally posted by @WitWGARA - #OurMischief:

I completely agree with OtherACTION! We literally had a tech professional go over the guide, out network settings, and PC firewall settings, as well as done several network diagnostics, yet no matter what we could not get the server to respond, or even show that it was listening on the ports. the only bit of the game/Server that "works" is the web server for the Admin console! NOTHING ELSE ACTUALLY WORKS!

Have you tried contacting us to investigate the problem?

If you haven't you can write to [e-mail] or, better, you can contact me directly on Discord - entuland#7134 - to receive live support.

[GeNeSix]

To be honest I love the fact that the game is still alive, I just love the game. I know that portforwarding is hard to do but entuland did help me, but we couldn't do it because my internet providers don't let me do it. I believe in some countries is free, from my country i have to play extra just for that. I really hope in the future we can do this easier. I did bought me and my 2 friends every assests that the game and every block had to offer a few years ago just to help the developers. All i have to say is that this is a great game and i had a lot of fun to play with the friends. Maybe one day i will be able to play online without spending another money on the internet provider. I will rather buy an online server. Thank you for the support entuland and maybe we can speak somethimes, now that I move out i will probably have a chance without paying(P.S. i have another internet provider.)