The I of the Dragon

The I of the Dragon

Display NPC, Enemy, and Building names?
So I had this game WAY back when as a disc copy and played it literally all the time when I was a kid. I think I only beat it like, 3-4 times because it was hard as balls! Still is...
Anyway, I remember that whenever you move your mouse over a human, monster, building, or lair, the name of the thing would pop up, along with it's total HP beside the little health circle that is still there. (If you want to know what I'm talking about, Bormac's lets play shows the feature)
And ALSO what happened with Quibeck's (carpet dude) voice and the original intro? The disk version had an ENGLISH longer video intro (that actually played lol) and was very cool.

ANYWAY I got sidetracked because I feel Steam, or whoever put this up, kinda changed this game for the worse. I mean it's still good, especially if someone who's never heard of it and wants to deal with the old graphics picks it up, I think they'd enjoy it. I just wish it hadn't have been changed. And I'd really like to know how to get the names and such to pop up when you hover your mouse over an enemy. It would be very useful. Thank you, and have a wonderful day.
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Zeorik Mar 28, 2017 @ 6:22pm 
I'd like to know this as well... It was in the original version, and if needs must be I'll go buy a used copy off of Amazon to rectify it. D:
rvn515 Mar 29, 2017 @ 1:18pm 
I have cd version without longer intro and without those pop-up's. Also, i don't have those golden borders for minimap - overall, HUD looks a bit different (for example: position of minimap, position of some buttons) - my edition looks like steam version. Looks like Bormac's version contains soundtrack from akella/russian version (partially, some tracks are unknown to me. Looks like there are not 3, but even 4 versions of soundtrack for I of Dragon. Insane :D), and main menu similar to russian version (and demo version - if i remember correctly), except game contains not russian, but english language... strange, maybe it is early/first eng release.
Comparison between files from steam or my cd version and your cd version would be the best thing. Bringing back some things may be as easy as copying and overwriting one/few files.

I checked Amazon, looks like Strategy First released I of Dragon in America? So, 4th version confirmed xD along with steam version, (russian) akella version, and (europe) zuxxez version (imho best soundtrack).


Last edited by rvn515; Mar 29, 2017 @ 2:38pm
#FreePalestine Mar 29, 2017 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by rvn515:
I have cd version without longer intro and without those pop-up's. Also, i don't have those golden borders for minimap - overall, HUD looks a bit different (for example: position of minimap, position of some buttons) - my edition looks like steam version. Looks like Bormac's version contains soundtrack from akella/russian version (partially, some tracks are unknown to me. Looks like there are not 3, but even 4 versions of soundtrack for I of Dragon. Insane :D), and main menu similar to russian version (and demo version - if i remember correctly), except game contains not russian, but english language... strange, maybe it is early/first eng release.
Comparison between files from steam or my cd version and your cd version would be the best thing. Bringing back some things may be as easy as copying and overwriting one/few files.

I checked Amazon, looks like Strategy First released I of Dragon in America? So, 4th version confirmed xD along with steam version, (russian) akella version, and (europe) zuxxez version (imho best soundtrack).

Unfortunately I do not have my CD anymore, at least I don't think so, I have moved a lot due to family issues and I don't have all of my belongings... I may or may not have the game in the boxes which is why I bought it on here... But is there a way to get the files from the CD version I had, whichever one that is, and put them into the files from the steam version as a patch or 'update' that people can optionally download if they want that version? I'd prefer it because of nostalgia, and for the minimap, I'd prefer it the old way with the gold borders as well. Where it is now is an eyesore but I don't want to turn it off. Any ideas?
#FreePalestine Mar 29, 2017 @ 5:11pm 
Originally posted by Subsquentual:
Originally posted by rvn515:
I have cd version without longer intro and without those pop-up's. Also, i don't have those golden borders for minimap - overall, HUD looks a bit different (for example: position of minimap, position of some buttons) - my edition looks like steam version. Looks like Bormac's version contains soundtrack from akella/russian version (partially, some tracks are unknown to me. Looks like there are not 3, but even 4 versions of soundtrack for I of Dragon. Insane :D), and main menu similar to russian version (and demo version - if i remember correctly), except game contains not russian, but english language... strange, maybe it is early/first eng release.
Comparison between files from steam or my cd version and your cd version would be the best thing. Bringing back some things may be as easy as copying and overwriting one/few files.

I checked Amazon, looks like Strategy First released I of Dragon in America? So, 4th version confirmed xD along with steam version, (russian) akella version, and (europe) zuxxez version (imho best soundtrack).

Unfortunately I do not have my CD anymore, at least I don't think so, I have moved a lot due to family issues and I don't have all of my belongings... I may or may not have the game in the boxes which is why I bought it on here... But is there a way to get the files from the CD version I had, whichever one that is, and put them into the files from the steam version as a patch or 'update' that people can optionally download if they want that version? I'd prefer it because of nostalgia, and for the minimap, I'd prefer it the old way with the gold borders as well. Where it is now is an eyesore but I don't want to turn it off. Any ideas?


I found my original disk copy along with the original box it was in, (the memories), so is there any way I, or someone else if I can send the files, make a Steam Update for this version to add the features of the disk version like a patch or update people could optionally install?
Zeorik Mar 29, 2017 @ 11:44pm 
Originally posted by Subsquentual:
Originally posted by Subsquentual:

Unfortunately I do not have my CD anymore, at least I don't think so, I have moved a lot due to family issues and I don't have all of my belongings... I may or may not have the game in the boxes which is why I bought it on here... But is there a way to get the files from the CD version I had, whichever one that is, and put them into the files from the steam version as a patch or 'update' that people can optionally download if they want that version? I'd prefer it because of nostalgia, and for the minimap, I'd prefer it the old way with the gold borders as well. Where it is now is an eyesore but I don't want to turn it off. Any ideas?


I found my original disk copy along with the original box it was in, (the memories), so is there any way I, or someone else if I can send the files, make a Steam Update for this version to add the features of the disk version like a patch or update people could optionally install?

That would ultimately come down to knowing which files you'd need to overwrit, then packaging them as an Archive file (7-zip, winrar, etc.) to be passed to others. It's doubtful that they'd make an 'official' patch like that.
Zeorik Mar 29, 2017 @ 11:46pm 
Originally posted by rvn515:
I have cd version without longer intro and without those pop-up's. Also, i don't have those golden borders for minimap - overall, HUD looks a bit different (for example: position of minimap, position of some buttons) - my edition looks like steam version. Looks like Bormac's version contains soundtrack from akella/russian version (partially, some tracks are unknown to me. Looks like there are not 3, but even 4 versions of soundtrack for I of Dragon. Insane :D), and main menu similar to russian version (and demo version - if i remember correctly), except game contains not russian, but english language... strange, maybe it is early/first eng release.
Comparison between files from steam or my cd version and your cd version would be the best thing. Bringing back some things may be as easy as copying and overwriting one/few files.

I checked Amazon, looks like Strategy First released I of Dragon in America? So, 4th version confirmed xD along with steam version, (russian) akella version, and (europe) zuxxez version (imho best soundtrack).

It's also possible that, because it is meant for an older version of Windows, some things simply don't work the same anymore. I once tried to play the CD version I borrowed (And might pester my friend to let me re-borrow...) with a windows 7 laptop..... the textures were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and it ran pretty bad. It could've been just the laptop, but there's a very real chance that the game simply has issues with newer OS, and that's why there's missing features.
#FreePalestine Mar 30, 2017 @ 4:11am 
Originally posted by BSThe Shadow Dragon:
Originally posted by rvn515:
I have cd version without longer intro and without those pop-up's. Also, i don't have those golden borders for minimap - overall, HUD looks a bit different (for example: position of minimap, position of some buttons) - my edition looks like steam version. Looks like Bormac's version contains soundtrack from akella/russian version (partially, some tracks are unknown to me. Looks like there are not 3, but even 4 versions of soundtrack for I of Dragon. Insane :D), and main menu similar to russian version (and demo version - if i remember correctly), except game contains not russian, but english language... strange, maybe it is early/first eng release.
Comparison between files from steam or my cd version and your cd version would be the best thing. Bringing back some things may be as easy as copying and overwriting one/few files.

I checked Amazon, looks like Strategy First released I of Dragon in America? So, 4th version confirmed xD along with steam version, (russian) akella version, and (europe) zuxxez version (imho best soundtrack).

It's also possible that, because it is meant for an older version of Windows, some things simply don't work the same anymore. I once tried to play the CD version I borrowed (And might pester my friend to let me re-borrow...) with a windows 7 laptop..... the textures were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and it ran pretty bad. It could've been just the laptop, but there's a very real chance that the game simply has issues with newer OS, and that's why there's missing features.

It was likely just the laptop because it looks fine with mine, and mine is a potato (lol). Idk I'll likely just play the disk now. I'll have to start all over but eh, it's all good.
rvn515 Mar 30, 2017 @ 4:22am 
@ Subsquentual
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@ [BS]The Shadow Dragon
Official patch would be Topware thing (best option could be alternative patch under game properties in steam, beta tab), but unofficial one would be still viable for peoples with steam version, but without cd (lost, damaged, etc). There are guides in guides section - that should be enough to fix bugs on modern PC (steam or disc version). However, here, we have case with missing features from one version, not just bugs.
Last edited by rvn515; Mar 30, 2017 @ 4:25am
Zeorik Mar 30, 2017 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by rvn515:
@ Subsquentual
Add me, so I will send PM to you

@ [BS]The Shadow Dragon
Official patch would be Topware thing (best option could be alternative patch under game properties in steam, beta tab), but unofficial one would be still viable for peoples with steam version, but without cd (lost, damaged, etc). There are guides in guides section - that should be enough to fix bugs on modern PC (steam or disc version). However, here, we have case with missing features from one version, not just bugs.

Not entirely true. The case may be that the features were meant to run on a specific setup within the program, which Win 7 doesn't have. Either through redundancy, obsoleteness, or some other factor it's entirely possible that the function of displaying the values/ names simply doesn't work. If an original, CD copy of the game runs fine on Win 7 though, then there'd be a reason to call it missing. And ifthat's the case... one hs to wonder what version of the actual game is being 'sold' on steam, if not a final and functioning Disc copy
#FreePalestine Mar 30, 2017 @ 12:00pm 
Originally posted by BSThe Shadow Dragon:
Originally posted by rvn515:
@ Subsquentual
Add me, so I will send PM to you

@ [BS]The Shadow Dragon
Official patch would be Topware thing (best option could be alternative patch under game properties in steam, beta tab), but unofficial one would be still viable for peoples with steam version, but without cd (lost, damaged, etc). There are guides in guides section - that should be enough to fix bugs on modern PC (steam or disc version). However, here, we have case with missing features from one version, not just bugs.

Not entirely true. The case may be that the features were meant to run on a specific setup within the program, which Win 7 doesn't have. Either through redundancy, obsoleteness, or some other factor it's entirely possible that the function of displaying the values/ names simply doesn't work. If an original, CD copy of the game runs fine on Win 7 though, then there'd be a reason to call it missing. And ifthat's the case... one hs to wonder what version of the actual game is being 'sold' on steam, if not a final and functioning Disc copy


I played my disc version and went through the beginning area and the names of the Stardrud's, their lairs, and the Bugs and their lairs along with their health. Quibeck's voice is the original old man voice I remember and the minimap is in the top left corner of the screen with its gold border, and everything works fine. So someone took something out when they uploaded it on Steam.
#FreePalestine Mar 30, 2017 @ 1:12pm 
Originally posted by Subsquentual:
Originally posted by BSThe Shadow Dragon:

Not entirely true. The case may be that the features were meant to run on a specific setup within the program, which Win 7 doesn't have. Either through redundancy, obsoleteness, or some other factor it's entirely possible that the function of displaying the values/ names simply doesn't work. If an original, CD copy of the game runs fine on Win 7 though, then there'd be a reason to call it missing. And ifthat's the case... one hs to wonder what version of the actual game is being 'sold' on steam, if not a final and functioning Disc copy


I played my disc version and went through the beginning area and the names of the Stardrud's, their lairs, and the Bugs and their lairs along with their health. Quibeck's voice is the original old man voice I remember and the minimap is in the top left corner of the screen with its gold border, and everything works fine. So someone took something out when they uploaded it on Steam.


A quick side note. The pdf Manual that comes with THIS version of the game, which can be found in the game files, on page 39, in the 'Experience Levels' section of the page, "As you kill monsters and destroy their lairs, you gain experience points. The exact number of points for a fatal hit is shown on the screen." However in the version of the game that this manual comes with, the HP points do not actually pop up on the screen. So it must be missing. Or else it wouldn't be stated in the updated manual.
Zeorik Mar 31, 2017 @ 7:53am 
Originally posted by Subsquentual:
Originally posted by Subsquentual:


I played my disc version and went through the beginning area and the names of the Stardrud's, their lairs, and the Bugs and their lairs along with their health. Quibeck's voice is the original old man voice I remember and the minimap is in the top left corner of the screen with its gold border, and everything works fine. So someone took something out when they uploaded it on Steam.


A quick side note. The pdf Manual that comes with THIS version of the game, which can be found in the game files, on page 39, in the 'Experience Levels' section of the page, "As you kill monsters and destroy their lairs, you gain experience points. The exact number of points for a fatal hit is shown on the screen." However in the version of the game that this manual comes with, the HP points do not actually pop up on the screen. So it must be missing. Or else it wouldn't be stated in the updated manual.

I actually see the EXP points given per kill, it's in white text stating "EXP: (number) "
Last edited by Zeorik; Mar 31, 2017 @ 7:54am
rvn515 Mar 31, 2017 @ 5:07pm 
If you hover with cursor over creature or building, you will see only orb with information about health. In american version, there is also pop-up window with name and exact amount of health.

Versions:
Steam, Zuxxez (european EN version, and probably PL, CZ, HU, DE versions), Akella (russian, oldest), Strategy First (american). Steam version = Zuxxez version (i think so), besides soundtrack/background music.

Differences:
Every version contains different soundtracks/background music, different voice-overs, language text depends on language version ofc, also, there may be differences in main menu. On top of that, american version contains different hud***, and those pop-ups. Not sure about akella, hud from their version should be like Steam/Zuxxez. Also, looks like "modified" date for Zuxxez files(and probably original "modified" date for steam files) is 03.03.2004 (with some exceptions, for example for files related to translations for particular languages). "Modified" date for many files from american version is 29.04.2004. So, there is a chance that they received newer files.

***similar, but some things are placed on different parts of screen, and there are golden borders for minimaps, just check that Bormac let's play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvhSA0aJ4Y4&list=PLvPGxXZPgG8PmNul0TpTF_uHcYhy1plMZ




http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=894944314
If someone remember their old version, or just wants something different, here is guide made by Subsquentual. Currently only for en version. If you installed different steam version before installing en version, open regedit, visit HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Primal\Dragon
and make sure there is English written in language line, not something else.

Btw, manual from that package may be intersting, shorter, but contains interesting bits of story/lore.

Adding that hud for different language versions may be possible, but will be a bit complicated. It's easier if you want only voice-overs (Speech folder) or soundtrack (Ambience folder).


"The case may be that the features were meant to run on a specific setup within the program, which Win 7 doesn't have."
That's why (more less) music was bugged (not working in-game) on modern systems without fan-made patch. Since March there is official patch for steam version. Fortunately, it's not that bad for this different hud.
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