Bandit class questions: Max that ever should go in Dex or Vit? (How to avoid wasting points?)

[Victory_Abyss]

Is there any reason that a bandit should ever invest in mind or strength or is that just a waste of points? If a bandit should completely stick to only dexterity and vitality, how many points should go into each one- for example when I reach max level, how many points will be in each?

For bandit, can I enchant a magic based scepter (the magic wands that fire magic flying projectile attacks) to use dexterity, and does it actually work really good?

For bandit, can I enchant a strength based sword to use dexterity, and does that have good results?

For mystic, can I enchant a bow to use mind(magic)?

[Victory_Abyss]

Also wanted to say thanks for everyone's replies in this thread, and thanks to anyone else who replies later on. I am learning so many cool things. It's really fun because It's making me think of new strategies.

[Xzile]

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

This is.... Impressive..... I... never would have thought to try this!? WOW. I have to. I HAVE TO TRY THIS! thanks!

Thanks, haha. I originally played with bows, but when I picked up a cool pair of katars I immediately got the charge attack and realized how broken it is compared to literally everything else in the game. The only thing that came close to the damage katars put out was the bell. That's a little slower in dps, but it's safer since you can kite with it (hit, dash, repeat). I can easily solo everything in the game with this build without breaking a sweat.

[Victory_Abyss]

Originally posted by Xzile:

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

This is.... Impressive..... I... never would have thought to try this!? WOW. I have to. I HAVE TO TRY THIS! thanks!

Thanks, haha. I originally played with bows, but when I picked up a cool pair of katars I immediately got the charge attack and realized how broken it is compared to literally everything else in the game. The only thing that came close to the damage katars put out was the bell. That's a little slower in dps, but it's safer since you can kite with it (hit, dash, repeat). I can easily solo everything in the game with this build without breaking a sweat.

Do you know the best areas in the game to farm the best weapons like those?

[Xzile]

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Originally posted by Xzile:

Thanks, haha. I originally played with bows, but when I picked up a cool pair of katars I immediately got the charge attack and realized how broken it is compared to literally everything else in the game. The only thing that came close to the damage katars put out was the bell. That's a little slower in dps, but it's safer since you can kite with it (hit, dash, repeat). I can easily solo everything in the game with this build without breaking a sweat.

Do you know the best areas in the game to farm the best weapons like those?

I have spare stuff if you want it.
Otherwise, all current 'best' stuff if dropped from the bottom floors of Crescent Grove and Sanctum Catacombs, with the main 'bis' pieces being from each perspective boss.

[Victory_Abyss]

Originally posted by Xzile:

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Do you know the best areas in the game to farm the best weapons like those?

I have spare stuff if you want it.
Otherwise, all current 'best' stuff if dropped from the bottom floors of Crescent Grove and Sanctum Catacombs, with the main 'bis' pieces being from each perspective boss.

Thank you but that's okay. What are boss pieces? I have never heard of that? When you say bottom floors, you mean the most dangerous floors, or literally deepest downwards areas in dungeons?

[Xzile]

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Originally posted by Xzile:

I have spare stuff if you want it.
Otherwise, all current 'best' stuff if dropped from the bottom floors of Crescent Grove and Sanctum Catacombs, with the main 'bis' pieces being from each perspective boss.

Thank you but that's okay. What are boss pieces? I have never heard of that? When you say bottom floors, you mean the most dangerous floors, or literally deepest downwards areas in dungeons?

The monsters in the dungeon and chests all drop the same loot regardless of what part of the dungeon your in. As for boss pieces, I meant for the pieces the bosses specifically drop. Each dungeon boss has a drop table of different gear they, and only they, drop.

Colossus (Sanctum final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Colossus

Lord Kaluuz (Catacombs final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Lord_Kaluuz

[Victory_Abyss]

Originally posted by Xzile:

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Thank you but that's okay. What are boss pieces? I have never heard of that? When you say bottom floors, you mean the most dangerous floors, or literally deepest downwards areas in dungeons?

The monsters in the dungeon and chests all drop the same loot regardless of what part of the dungeon your in. As for boss pieces, I meant for the pieces the bosses specifically drop. Each dungeon boss has a drop table of different gear they, and only they, drop.

Colossus (Sanctum final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Colossus

Lord Kaluuz (Catacombs final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Lord_Kaluuz

Thanks. I think I understand now, and I'm slowly realizing that I'm going to be doing a lot of repeated boss battles now... lol

[laslax]

Originally posted by Intra:

Originally posted by laslax:

Do not level up mind or use manafont as ranged Bandit; Alacrity exists for a reason.

Don't listen to this guy. You literally, with Manafont, still need to spam Mana pots as a bow Bandit.

Alacrity is a 40 second cooldown. If you're going for max DPS as a Bow Bandit, you have at least five mana using skills:
Spread Shot
Venom Shot
Volley
Bomb Trap
Devious Signet

You will be chugging a medium mana pot every 10-15 seconds, with a Manafont enchant on a level 17 cloak + Jadegeist Ring, while doing this rotation.

Without Manafont, you would need to add another mana potion/Cake/Mushroom Juice because you wouldn't even have enough mana for 60 MP.

6th skill I suggest is Pay Day or Killer Jab, won't use it too often though.

(It's good against Colossus to auto-swap to your secondary to DPS when all bow skills are on cooldown at least, but you might want to use Coldgeist Frostcaller so maybe Sturdy instead for that)

Have you ever actually done a playthrough with Ranged only Bandit? You're supposed to use your Skills at the right moment, not spam them. Even then, I believe you can just infinitely spam your best Skill (Volley) off cooldown and not run out of mana.

Recovery is a 50 second cooldown. You will always have Alacrity up for Recovery if you go OOM. Even if you get unlucky and go under 3 mana you'll still be able to use Recovery faster. It also just makes Recovery cheaper and instantaneous.

I would recommend a build like this:
Venom Shot
Spread Shot/Bomb Trap
Volley
Devious Signet/Inner Focus
Alacrity/Mist Veil
Recovery/Devious Signet

Yes, there's no inclusion of Pay Day or Killer Jab. There is no point unless you're using Katar, but Volley literally does what Katar does against groups of enemies. Though, who am I to judge what you can or can't do? Killer Jab is similar to Bomb Trap (and is also good for Inner Focus like Bomb Trap), and Pay Day will at least be useful for bosses; canceling their attacks while damaging them with a melee weapon.

[laslax]

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Originally posted by Xzile:

The monsters in the dungeon and chests all drop the same loot regardless of what part of the dungeon your in. As for boss pieces, I meant for the pieces the bosses specifically drop. Each dungeon boss has a drop table of different gear they, and only they, drop.

Colossus (Sanctum final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Colossus

Lord Kaluuz (Catacombs final boss)
https://atlyss.wiki.gg/wiki/Lord_Kaluuz

Thanks. I think I understand now, and I'm slowly realizing that I'm going to be doing a lot of repeated boss battles now... lol

You only have to do bosses for weapons and body/leg armor (ring too for Fighter). Best headgear is dropped from chests at Crescent Grove, best ring (for Mystic and Bandit) are sold by a merchant after completing the sigil quest for Crescent Grove, and the best capes are also sold by a merchant after doing that sigil. The teleporter for the merchant is found at Crescent Keep (not past the rope you climb).

Flamepetal staff, Serrated Longbow (side grade), and Ragespear are the best in their class without the need of farming bosses.

[Intra]

Originally posted by laslax:

Have you ever actually done a playthrough with Ranged only Bandit?

Yes. And I used my CDs too. Pre-plant Bomb Trap on a spawn, pop Volley on a spawn/use Volley and dash through it with the pack, use Spread Shot basically on CD, with the least used being Venom Shot for higher defense enemies or enemies outside my Serrated Bow's range to get the party started/ended.

Every skill is getting maximally spammed outside Venom Shot.

100% I'm popping potions and not just on Dummy doing max dps rotations.

[laslax]

Originally posted by Intra:

Originally posted by laslax:

Have you ever actually done a playthrough with Ranged only Bandit?

Yes. And I used my CDs too. Pre-plant Bomb Trap on a spawn, pop Volley on a spawn/use Volley and dash through it with the pack, use Spread Shot basically on CD, with the least used being Venom Shot for higher defense enemies or enemies outside my Serrated Bow's range to get the party started/ended.

Every skill is getting maximally spammed outside Venom Shot.

100% I'm popping potions and not just on Dummy doing max dps rotations.

Spamming Skills and not using Volley/Bomb Trap exclusively against the entire enemy wave huh? Well, minus if its a single tanky/elite enemy. Then its Venom Shot and Volley. Either way, that's your mistake.

[Intra]

Originally posted by laslax:

Spamming Skills and not using Volley/Bomb Trap exclusively against the entire enemy wave huh? Well, minus if its a single tanky/elite enemy. Then its Venom Shot and Volley. Either way, that's your mistake.

No, it's not. Gathering all the mobs up is slower. You might do that because you're BROKE but I can afford an IV of potions to be optimal.

I'm 79 DEX + all pieces Precise but one Manafont. I could afford to lose the Manafont but then I'd have to use more potion keybinds, and that's annoying to me.

If I wanted to gather all the mobs up, I could just pop Sturdy and use a Coldgeist Frostcaller and out DPS bow any day.

[laslax]

Originally posted by Intra:

Originally posted by laslax:

Spamming Skills and not using Volley/Bomb Trap exclusively against the entire enemy wave huh? Well, minus if its a single tanky/elite enemy. Then its Venom Shot and Volley. Either way, that's your mistake.

No, it's not. Gathering all the mobs up is slower. You might do that because you're BROKE but I can afford an IV of potions to be optimal.

I'm 79 DEX + all pieces Precise but one Manafont. I could afford to lose the Manafont but then I'd have to use more potion keybinds, and that's annoying to me.

If I wanted to gather all the mobs up, I could just pop Sturdy and use a Coldgeist Frostcaller and out DPS bow any day.

Wow. Now we're throwing insults I guess.

[Victory_Abyss]

Originally posted by laslax:

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Thanks. I think I understand now, and I'm slowly realizing that I'm going to be doing a lot of repeated boss battles now... lol

You only have to do bosses for weapons and body/leg armor (ring too for Fighter). Best headgear is dropped from chests at Crescent Grove, best ring (for Mystic and Bandit) are sold by a merchant after completing the sigil quest for Crescent Grove, and the best capes are also sold by a merchant after doing that sigil. The teleporter for the merchant is found at Crescent Keep (not past the rope you climb).

Flamepetal staff, Serrated Longbow (side grade), and Ragespear are the best in their class without the need of farming bosses.

Thank you. I've been having a lot of trouble finding merchants that are not in the spawn area.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Victory_Abyss:

Thank you. I've been having a lot of trouble finding merchants that are not in the spawn area.

There are only 3 other merchants besides Sally I'm familiar with.

One can be found in Tuul Valley, in a hidden alcove off to the side of the pigs.

The second one is Craig, who can be found at the entrance to the Wall of Stars, which requires entering a portal located within the Gate of the Moon region.

Finally, there's Skrit, the gambler, located directly behind Sally's shop.