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Angelbird 2024 年 12 月 6 日 下午 2:05
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18+ servers, a lack of age verification, and the presence of children
It seems like many people playing this game are very young. I've seen a couple ERP servers pop up that have age limits in their server title below 18+, and a lot of people in 18+ servers (RP and more general) tend to talk about adult topics with the same enthusiasm and lack of general understanding or awareness as children do when talking about other taboo subjects for their age, like cigarettes and alcohol.

Please be aware that if you're interacting with others in this game, there's no way of knowing the ages of the people you're interacting with. And that if you're a child playing this game in adults-only spaces, you're violating an extremely important boundary for legal (even if you're above the age of consent in your jurisdiction, as US national and most international law requires 18+) as well as moral and ethical reasons.

From personal experience in prior supposedly-18+ spaces that rely on an honor system have subsequently been overrun by children, this will be a bigger issue during large school break periods: winter, spring, and summer breaks.

Stay vigilant, and please be aware of the people within your servers. And to the children reading this, please respect boundaries others put in place.
最後修改者:Angelbird; 2024 年 12 月 6 日 下午 2:08
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Yopul 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 9:56 
LOL. At the rate this topic is going it's gonna get locked just like the other one.

You guys gotta chill it with this.
Nidir 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:00 
stfu and play, we and they know what we want and what are we doing here
最後修改者:Nidir; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:01
Scraps 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:05 
For those putting the onus on the parents: When you were a minor, did you manage to go online and look at porn without your parents knowing or have they bought you an m rated game? If so, in retrospect, do you condemn their parenting style? Do you hate your parents for this?

Like, I get iPad parenting is neglectful but it sounds more like an excuse to be lenient towards predatory behavior.
Yopul 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:18 
引用自 Kryllion Dollar$
stfu and play, we and they know what we want and what are we doing here
Kryllion Dollar$ who is "we" and who is "they" in this situation? This really doesn't look good for you especially in this context. "we and they know what we want" That is definitely not something you should say when talking about children in 18+ servers.

I'm counting the minutes until this gets locked now.
Caseadilla 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:27 
引用自 Kryllion Dollar$
stfu and play, we and they know what we want and what are we doing here
Did you just...
suggest that the minors know what they want, and have no qualms engaging with them in such a manner?



引用自 Brimstone
For those putting the onus on the parents: When you were a minor, did you manage to go online and look at porn without your parents knowing or have they bought you an m rated game? If so, in retrospect, do you condemn their parenting style? Do you hate your parents for this?

Like, I get iPad parenting is neglectful but it sounds more like an excuse to be lenient towards predatory behavior.
The issue is a lack of clear options. There are some that could be implemented but ultimately are just bandaid fixes, and/or encroach upon end-user privacy in another way entirely, like ID Verification.

The best, readily on-hand method of preventing this DOES begin at the parental level, but it's not perfect, because there is no perfect solution to the problem.
On the other hand, reporting predatory behavior is also valid, but letting it go that far isn't really ideal, but again, you can't really prevent it flat out, with the exception of just not allowing children to engage online.

I suppose one relatively "mild" way to prevent social engagement would be for Kiseff to implement a Disable Chat option?

It's a big social issue.
Angelbird 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:37 
引用自 Caseadilla
I suppose one relatively "mild" way to prevent social engagement would be for Kiseff to implement a Disable Chat option?

It's a big social issue.

Unlike with Valve's parental control option there's no real way to enforce the use of certain features of the game's options menu. If a minor has a copy of Atlyss there's not much that can be done about it. The onus is on individual users and server owners at this point. Neither you, nor the dev, nor Valve is gonna contact the parents and tell them what they've been doing online. The sheer fact is they're present and will remain present and endemic to the game's 18+ servers.

Just make it evident that you're uninterested in interacting with minors and don't interact with people in an adult manner if you're not reasonably confident the other person is an adult.
Yopul 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:53 
引用自 Angelbird
Just make it evident that you're uninterested in interacting with minors and don't interact with people in an adult manner if you're not reasonably confident the other person is an adult.
Isn't is crazy how easily people get the story twisted? Or maybe just don't read what you typed. All you want is the 18+ server community to understand that there ARE minors that will be, are currently, and will continue to play Atlyss.

But then there's people like this person:
引用自 Kryllion Dollar$
stfu and play, we and they know what we want and what are we doing here
And with the stance they took, I don't know if this person is a minor themselves, or on a list.
GrandMajora 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 11:32 
引用自 NerdCuddles
I also heard that this game was originally intended to be fully nsfw

Considering how the characters act when you mess with the chest and butt slider, that actually sounds plausible.
最後修改者:GrandMajora; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 11:33
Killial 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 11:47 
引用自 Brimstone
For those putting the onus on the parents: When you were a minor, did you manage to go online and look at porn without your parents knowing or have they bought you an m rated game? If so, in retrospect, do you condemn their parenting style? Do you hate your parents for this?

Like, I get iPad parenting is neglectful but it sounds more like an excuse to be lenient towards predatory behavior.

This statement is a kinda misplaced ploy. The question is not what is the attitude of someone specifically towards their parents. And it's not about whether we condemn or hate them for anything. The question is about the attitude of the parent towards this. Because the child may simply not understand many things or lie to you, afraid of being scolded.

As a parent, if your child does this secretly from you and you are not aware, that's one thing. You can even pretend you don't notice if it happens rarely. But the question is, if your child tells you about it, or did you find out openly, will you judge your child behavior or say: "Oh... come on, I was like that myself! Go ahead and continue!"?
But someone, instead of coming to any of that, will go with an angry face and complain that their children are being corrupted on the Internet, even if their child lied about his age or used tricks to access prohibited content.

If all parents were what you imagined them to be, and all children didn't lie, there would be no problems.

We should not, of course, excuse predatory behavior, but we also should not excuse the temptation of lazy or irresponsible parents to shift responsibility to someone else or excuse the behavior of lying kids. This can cause serious problems for people who have become victims of circumstances because of such behavior - in some countries and regions these are quite serious administrative measures, and therefore it should not be taken lightly.
Forest_GS 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 12:10 
best way to prevent abuse is to teach what abuse is before letting them have any type of internet access.
if the child ever leaves the house without the parent, there will be a chance for abuse, or a friend to give access to the internet. so it really is the only solution.
Even in a complete religious only world, the best solution is to teach what it means. Some studies would point to it being even more important in a complete religious world.

there will always be a chance for abuse even if they know, but if they do know there is a much greater chance of them avoiding it.
Nitro Toxico 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 12:58 
引用自 Angelbird
引用自 Last Place
I see the imageboarders that tried to ruin webfishing have showed up here with copy pasted nonsense arguments also, lovely.

There's no argument. There's no call to action. Just that there's children catfishing as adults and trying to get involved in activities they shouldn't be, so people should be aware of who they're interacting with in online spaces and avoid certain interactions with people if they're unsure they're interacting with an adult.

"Children shouldn't be engaging with adults in adult activities in an adults-only space" isn't... or shouldn't be... a controversial statement.
Honestly thats only logical as a parrent, but we all know why children would try bypass age restriction games, and thats because they're interested in what the game has to offer.
And i should know, because i spend a hole ass time playing a sandbox game that people was roleplaying with jobs in them, and the first thing i experience in those was people were trying to be horny in them while i was only about 12-16. (true it did not have age restictions)

To make sense in what im saying is: Games that does not have nsfw in them will always have people that WILL make it happen with roleplay and mods.

In other words, a game that is originaly SAFE to play for all ages will always have people that plays the game as if it is a NSFW type of game.
Angelbird 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 1:54 
As a reminder this thread isn't about children accessing games with mature content, but about childrens' presence in 18+ servers and communities within the game and engaging in sexual chat and roleplay with adults.

Please understand that if you're saying things that insinuate children should be allowed to do so, you're not only advocating for children to push people into positions where they can be accused of felonies, but you yourself come off as a minor or as a predator.
Cackles 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 3:17 
引用自 Brimstone
For those putting the onus on the parents: When you were a minor, did you manage to go online and look at porn without your parents knowing or have they bought you an m rated game? If so, in retrospect, do you condemn their parenting style? Do you hate your parents for this?

Like, I get iPad parenting is neglectful but it sounds more like an excuse to be lenient towards predatory behavior.

Unfortunately when we're young teens going through hormones and puberty, we don't really tend to think much about the broader consequences towards others beyond just keeping quiet about our real age.

And it's all the more reason for us to make sure the younger gen don't follow our mistakes and try to strongly encourage em to be aware of their virtual surroundings and to avoid adult spaces so they don't get preyed upon.

Likewise older folks need to be more aware that teenagers and kids ARE going to evade despite warnings cause we are very rebellious in those ages, so it's important to make sure the people your being flirty with online are of age and if it ever turns out they lied you can at least cover your ass that you weren't the predator.
最後修改者:Cackles; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 3:17
GrandMajora 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 6:09 
If the server is marked (18+) in its name, then it's not the host's fault that a kid managed to sneak in. It's the parents' fault for not keeping an eye on their kid's online activities.

The server name warned you what kind of content you were in for, before you clicked to join it. You don't get to cry foul and say you were traumatized, because you were too 'curious' to listen.
最後修改者:GrandMajora; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 6:09
Forest_GS 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 7:43 
引用自 Angelbird
As a reminder this thread isn't about children accessing games with mature content, but about childrens' presence in 18+ servers and communities within the game and engaging in sexual chat and roleplay with adults.

Please understand that if you're saying things that insinuate children should be allowed to do so, you're not only advocating for children to push people into positions where they can be accused of felonies, but you yourself come off as a minor or as a predator.

please understand these interactions can happen in any online game, this is not one game's, one dev's problem. you can't filter these type of interactions out of chat in any game/chat room/setting without destroying most communication options.
IF the child is out of sight of the parent, best way to prevent abuse is for the Parent to be a parent and teach what abuse is so the child can avoid it.
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