I can't scale. Game impossible? (Mystic)

[King of Sorrow]

Seems like the game's broken for me or something. Everyone else around seems to grow stronger when they level up, but me? Nope!

Have to rely on carrying teammates just to get content done, and I hate being a leech. Playing solo is suicide however, since I can't just seem to do damage. 36 Mind, 16 Vitality, and I'm just...not dealing damage. Bell hits for 2 to 7 per tick before hitting for 15 average on the end. The scepter hits for 20 a hit, and magic is too slow to work when 50 enemies are rushing me at once.

I'm doing it wrong, so what's the way to make mystic good? OR is mystic just trash? Level 15 at the moment, so it's not -too- big a deal if I can't course-correct this character. If it's drop based, I'm out - luck's not a strong point.

[Wonder]

Aside from what's already been said I would really try and figure out a good spell rotation and play around a bit solo to get a feel for how you can create space/time for yourself and begin casting.

I've only played Mystic in the itch demo so I'm not 100% sure what there is to work with now but I used to do something like this: Dodge around until the enemies are grouped together (you can also slow down a bit then speed up and try to bait out some attack animations to create space) throw a Cross into them -> Immediately start casting Spire as they rush back toward me -> Fluxspear when they finally reach me -> Nova and bounce them away again and then finish off what's left with basic attacks or rinse & repeat the rotation. For heavy duty single targets I would just spam Fluxbolt.

I also stacked a ton of manafont gear so I wouldn't run out of gas after 1 rotation, also having a good amount of mana replenishing items helps for extended fights like bosses.

I believe Spire got changed and that Cryo spell is new so I'm not really sure what can be done now or if my example rotation makes any sense in the current version, but it's just an example and also to say you shouldn't count out the spell scroll drops after getting a class, they can really tie things together.

[King of Sorrow]

Originally posted by Lesserred:

Originally posted by King of Sorrow:

Bell is a horrible weapon nuts to soup, it seems. I've got a crypt bell (normal rarity) and it just doesn't hit for ♥♥♥♥. I'm using a unique scepter that dropped from the Slime Diva that outclasses every other scepter I've got at the moment, and it is the strongest weapon I have (17-20 damage on hit on average). Unfortunately, it's just NOT efficient enough to murder things, As such, I'm dying in battles of attrition.





Yes. I'm allocating stats, hence the mentions of where my stats are in the initial post. Doesn't seem to be doing ♥♥♥♥ however. The rod...the wizwand or whatever? Did that quest already. Can't make enchants since I can't kill anything but the most basic of foes. Combine that with the costs of enchants, and I'm in a bit of a spot. That, and my damage isn't going up despite heavy mind investment.

Crypt bell is from the tutorial difficulty dungeon, no wonder you're doing garbo damage. The Slime diva wand is also not that great. You should farm for at LEAST the medium difficulty dungeons version of the bell and wand, then go in to the hard difficulty to get those versions or hell just buy mithril from the shop since you're level 15.

edit: Actually, yeah just buy the mithril then go do hard catacombs until you get the bell from the boss. because that's the next tier up from mithril. Then get either of the scepters that drop from the mushrooms in the grove. BAM you're no longer doing booty damage.

https://jumpshare.com/s/GbzFI6i0q038daudcWK4 Even the mythril bell is not up to snuff, it seems. This is after monetary burning on some magical power enchantments too. I don't seem to have the secret to crack that code in damage. Nothing is 'melting' like people swear it does.

[Lesserred]

Do a charged attack. (hold R by default)

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by King of Sorrow:

Originally posted by Lesserred:

Crypt bell is from the tutorial difficulty dungeon, no wonder you're doing garbo damage. The Slime diva wand is also not that great. You should farm for at LEAST the medium difficulty dungeons version of the bell and wand, then go in to the hard difficulty to get those versions or hell just buy mithril from the shop since you're level 15.

edit: Actually, yeah just buy the mithril then go do hard catacombs until you get the bell from the boss. because that's the next tier up from mithril. Then get either of the scepters that drop from the mushrooms in the grove. BAM you're no longer doing booty damage.

https://jumpshare.com/s/GbzFI6i0q038daudcWK4 Even the mythril bell is not up to snuff, it seems. This is after monetary burning on some magical power enchantments too. I don't seem to have the secret to crack that code in damage. Nothing is 'melting' like people swear it does.

https://streamable.com/bh8ems
I mean I don't know what to tell you guy it's a User issue at this point lol.

The class is far from bad that's me melting the current end-of-content boss with nothing but a bell.

[Comb]

Originally posted by King of Sorrow:

Seems like the game's broken for me or something. Everyone else around seems to grow stronger when they level up, but me? Nope!

Have to rely on carrying teammates just to get content done, and I hate being a leech. Playing solo is suicide however, since I can't just seem to do damage. 36 Mind, 16 Vitality, and I'm just...not dealing damage. Bell hits for 2 to 7 per tick before hitting for 15 average on the end. The scepter hits for 20 a hit, and magic is too slow to work when 50 enemies are rushing me at once.

I'm doing it wrong, so what's the way to make mystic good? OR is mystic just trash? Level 15 at the moment, so it's not -too- big a deal if I can't course-correct this character. If it's drop based, I'm out - luck's not a strong point.

you can beat the end game dungeon on lvl 18 with mystic wand is kinda op since it also does stat effect and have you got the stun skill yet. bell is a bit weird i dont really like it. and make sure your doing magic attack from the enchanter for you weapons and shield

[Comb]

Originally posted by Wolfy:

Originally posted by King of Sorrow:

https://jumpshare.com/s/GbzFI6i0q038daudcWK4 Even the mythril bell is not up to snuff, it seems. This is after monetary burning on some magical power enchantments too. I don't seem to have the secret to crack that code in damage. Nothing is 'melting' like people swear it does.

https://streamable.com/bh8ems
I mean I don't know what to tell you guy it's a User issue at this point lol.

The class is far from bad that's me melting the current end-of-content boss with nothing but a bell.

hey whats your stats btw

[Xlaits]

So, Mystic also needs DEX as that influences Crit and Magic Crit, too. I noticed this when looking at the tooltips.

[TakeMyLunch]

Originally posted by Xlaits:

So, Mystic also needs DEX as that influences Crit and Magic Crit, too. I noticed this when looking at the tooltips.

needs is a strong word. I'm criting well enough as an int-only Mystic. Flower staves are awesome (Flamepetal and Frostpetal from the colossus dungeon. Effectively Flamethrowers lmao)

[zero254]

Originally posted by TakeMyLunch:

Originally posted by Xlaits:

So, Mystic also needs DEX as that influences Crit and Magic Crit, too. I noticed this when looking at the tooltips.

needs is a strong word. I'm criting well enough as an int-only Mystic. Flower staves are awesome (Flamepetal and Frostpetal from the colossus dungeon. Effectively Flamethrowers lmao)

Yeah when I got those they changed my entire playstyle

[it's a gabe]

Dodging is the secret. You have to dodge most attacks, recover when possible, and make sure to use your spells for some massive damage. You can't rely solely on weapons as a mystic.

Also, I find that siphon leech helps a ton to both deal damage and heal yourself. You can find the scroll to learn it randomly, which will allow you to learn it if you're not playing as an imp. I had one, but ended up selling it as I had no use for it. I'm trying to be more careful with such drops, though, as they're not that common.

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by Comb:

Originally posted by Wolfy:

https://streamable.com/bh8ems
I mean I don't know what to tell you guy it's a User issue at this point lol.

The class is far from bad that's me melting the current end-of-content boss with nothing but a bell.

hey whats your stats btw

I posted a screenshot of them earlier in the thread lol.

65 mind 12 vitality

[King of Sorrow]

Originally posted by Wolfy:

Originally posted by King of Sorrow:

https://jumpshare.com/s/GbzFI6i0q038daudcWK4 Even the mythril bell is not up to snuff, it seems. This is after monetary burning on some magical power enchantments too. I don't seem to have the secret to crack that code in damage. Nothing is 'melting' like people swear it does.

https://streamable.com/bh8ems
I mean I don't know what to tell you guy it's a User issue at this point lol.

The class is far from bad that's me melting the current end-of-content boss with nothing but a bell.

Well, yeah that settles it. I have to be glitched out since my damage ain't working. I've given up and have switched off to another race and class. Having infinitely more solo success. Sorry to waste y'alls time, but Mystic is nothing useful for me. Maybe if there's an idiotproof guide down the line I'll start from scratch but at the moment? Forget it.

[Caseadilla]

From my own experiences thus far, bell vs scepter just isn't really comparable. I want to use the bell because it feels satisfyingly heavy to use, but everything except the end explosion just doesn't scratch the damage itch, as compared to the fast and floaty scepter.

For a weapon that feels like it should have some tangible reward being slower to launch attacks, and requires spacing to get the final burst of damage in, it feels like trying to aggressively blow air in the direction of an enemy.

[Laura]

as someone who started as mystic with bell, hit 17 and got tired of feeling sub par so made a fighter to try something different. fighter just feels significantly more powerful and better in almost every way, i breezed through everything with sword and shield and is now my main character. sure i did simply get better at the game which is a good contribution to the ease of it but even after going back to mystic to try them again they still feel just as terrible. im honestly just going to grind gear for my mystic on my fighter instead of trying to do anything with them normally.
just because mystic bell does "good damage" when your at end game doesnt mean the class isnt complete garbage and unfun getting to that point. any class in anything can be good when you're over leveled/geared up enough

[Theo]

It sounds like you need new equipment honestly I had similar issues when trying to do the 15-20 dungeon, the mystic has the harder time getting gear with relevant stats compared to the other classes. also they only have a few good spells fluxspear and fluxbolt and the dps is only barely better than cryo needle which you can max out much earlier.