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How good is his grip?
I have not played this game, but played first original series. And game not bad. But for slasher.
First of all it's game and story is fictional.
How do you feel about the criminals of your nationality? (same thinks Russians)
This game does not affect the feelings of Russian, unlike Company Of Heroes 2 (it's a long story)
And yes, we don't like when russians in games always bad. It's not true.
But we continue to play, we prefer to think that the mobs is not russians.
In first series the story was dumb and stupid.
What I like about the first game is the сhallenge and the soundtrack.
But i don't like unnecessary cruelty and brutality.
Such games likes teens and kids mostly. Usually they playing a lot, and it's sad maybe.
And probably theirs screenshots you seen.
Many others thinks this game is epileptic horror for their eyes.
Wise story was in deus ex for example, but not in this game for sure.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *wakes up* huh? You finished?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *wakes up* huh? You finished? [/quote]
Don't be a disrespectful jerk mate. He answered the question perfectly.
@alex alive, cheers for that.
Although I'm not a russian i agree 100% what you said. Music is awesome. Gorey gameplay isn't really my thing but i can tolerate it, and as for deus ex being a great game: you're damn right it is, its freaking awesome.
I just think it would be interesting if there was a game where you were russian and killed Americans. There would probley be an outcry.
Like, I myself never imagined Russian enemies as non-Russians, and I never heard about anybody else doing so. Maybe some dumbass ultra-patriots and assclowns do it, but surely not everyone who is Russian. He has NO RIGHT to speak for everyone, just because he personally thinks so.
Another thing. He says that people who play this stuff are mostly teens and kids and thus they (such games etc) are made specifically for them, which is again untrue. Surely nova days there is a lot of dumb teens and children in gaming (like CoD for example) and just idiots who flood various fanbases and places (HM unfortunately aint exception), but it doesnt mean that these games are made for them as target audience and that its only them who enjoy such games, not to mention the age restriction (though yeah, I know, that it doesnt really help these days).
It does sound like he is trying to belittle the game and those who like it, by saying that only teens (pretty sure he meant immature) and kids like it, while those who (in his opinion) are apparently better and smarter doesnt like any HM game, because it is "an epileptic horror for eyes". If he meant that, it does sound like some kind of insult. Plus if you will take a look, there is a very huge number of people around the world who like it and they don't seem to be stupid and/or immature teens/kids.
Sure both games have their own pros and cons (though not gonna lie, IMHO second part felt weaker comparing to first one), I am not saying its bad to dislike them - different strokes for different folks, but speak for yourself and not for majority or especially everyone, and dont act like if somebody likes something you dont like it, then it means that he/she has lower standards than you (if he meant that though). Also, I don't get what the heck does he mean about that screenshots thing, or well... I probably do if what I think is right, but I am not sure what it has to do with the topic.
Plus, he misses the point of the violence and brutality shown in the game, well, we will get to it later. Though IMHO he does have a point here, but anyway.
Also, not to mention that not all enemies (especially in HM2) are Russians. In first one there is a level where you kill ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of American cops, jeeze you can even slaughter janitors who are related to 50 Blessings, and even Phone Hom employees and Manager (unlike employees and janitors he aint optional though and needs to be killed).
And in second one, you can even play as Russians yourself. Like there is a level for Henchman where he kills American gangsters (hoodlums), a levels for Son, where he all he does are murdering Colombian Cartel and in one level you even have to rob an American bank while killing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of guards in the process (and Colombians too). Not to mention that in a lot of the levels even as other (non-Russian) characters you need to kill hoodlums who are of course American, kill American cops and in one level - even prison guards and prisoners who are of course Americans too. Heck, you even kill Fans while playing as a Son.
Plus note a fact that HM protagonists you play aint rainbows and susnhine themseves. Maybe Beard and in a way Evan (depends in his case though) can be exceptions, but still.
I even doubt he played the game and that you played any HM games (especially if talking about second part, since you're Australian if your profile doesnt lie) or at least tried to analize things properly. You probably just have heard/read somewhere that it's a game about killing Russians and made that topic, without even trying to know more about the games or play them yourself.
Not to mention, that you both appear to miss a point HM series are trying to show. There is absolutely NO good guys, no matter who is it, Americans, Russians, somebody else, doesnt matter. It tries to show you that unnecessary brutality and violence will bring only more unnecessary brutality and violence, this is the thing that HM series are trying to show (mostly the second part), though it still remains as key element of the games.
I personally gotta agree with him about the story in a way though, it is indeed such a massive ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that it's hard to call it wise or something (at least in MY opinion) and see some points and things through or in it. (But srsly, how can you compare Deus Ex to HM <___>?)
Not trying to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the game or something, as I said before it has and pros and cons, and can be and likable, and dislikable (also, at least to me, second part felt weaker than first one), I am just trying to say that you at least need to know what you're talking about and still keep your opinion as your opinion, and not posing at as facts, or especially speaking for anyone.
As for the mob boss' son killing cops ect; that isnt the main bit of the game .
I still maintain that if you had another country make a game about there nationality being opressed by america and has them rising up against them in the fashion that hm does, you would get tears.
I personally don't care about, he why i asked what RUSSIANS THOUGHT of it. See that? Russians in plural, so not just him, I'm still interested in other russian OPINIONS.
And that's what he gave me; his opinion.
There was no need to be a jerk, why not just answer him with a big overly long essay like you have with me?
"Also he never said it's for kids, he just said most gore game like this are for the edgelord 12vie audiance (think of the game hatred)". I know I can be slow at thinking and perhaps I dont get something, but please, explain, how what you said just now are much different from what I was talking about in my post? Sure you and him have a point that idiots and dumbass kids/teens occupied gaming fanbases, but saying like developers make games for them as target audience (if thats what you and him mean) is pure idioticy in my opinion.
Yes, it's not the main bit, but still, in the 2nd part, as I said, you still kill no less non-Russians (maybe even more) than you kill Russians. Actually there is no main bits at all, there is mixture of various story lines.
"You would get tears". From idiots - yes. Also, look at German Spec Ops: The Line and how it portrays American soldiers (which consist of 95% enemies you fight in the game). How GTA series make fun of America and it's society. What huge trashy mockery (of America and Americans of course) second Postal are. Movies like Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and many others. I don't see Americans crying like babies over it. Actually, there is plenty of media that doesnt portray USA well. Also, if you didnt know, HM series are made by Swedish guys, not Americans. Btw, don't you think that with you're kinda... exaggerating? Oh and trust me, a lot and A LOT of people in our country, especially on Internet are no less ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, disgusting and/or ultra-patriotic than many Americans.
And btw, I gave you such pletora, because I wanted to provide exploination to why I mocked him, that is why.
I know that nobody likes tl;dr stuff, but sometimes people can't get it the other way, though... I see that here it didnt helped either.
Not even going to read this since you didn't read mine properly, nor did you even understand it.
Sorry you're grump and buttt hurt. good night :}