Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number

Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number

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Oh man.
After beating both Hotline Miamis. It was one hell of a ride. That ending kinda brought a tear to my eye. I know Jacket isn't dead thanks to Payday 2 but you kinda grow fond of the other characters. Y'know?
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Lyc May 8, 2019 @ 5:53am 
You do know they stated the pd jacket is an imposter?
Wave May 9, 2019 @ 7:37pm 
I think we can call this entire post spoilers so here we go.

I dont think any of the Hotline Miami 2 cast survived the events of Hotline Miami 2.

The intro scene to the Hard Mode gives the idea they are merely characters in a story that is now being reineacted in the Nuclear Remains of Miami. But yet again, this scene itself answers some major questions but also gives us some more.

Some ideas that are worth bringing up is....

Why is Jacket not present at the Table scene? He is the sole reason why Hotline Miami 2 takes place. You could argue that he doesnt need to be there but he is the reason everybody else is. Maybe they have a chance for redemption but no longer Jacket.

Why is Biker not present and where exactly is this desert he went to? Biker was arguably the most aware of 50 Blessings operations alongside Jake. However, Biker is a much bigger threat considering he doesn't like them, finds them annoying and is more than capable of killing them so wouldnt that make him a target against 50 Blessings? Another thing to mention is that the desert he went to? For anybody even remotely aware of the geography of America, they should know that there is no deserts anywhere near Miami. The closest would probably be Texas or in Mexico could the Hotline Miami America have a diffirent set biomes / states?

Lastly, there is a big thing I want to cover in this post.

JACKET AND BIKER BOTH SURVIVED THE FIGHT IN PHONE HOME IN HOTLINE MIAMI 1.

Jacket is super crazy, has very vivid and wild hallucinations so imagining he beat biker isnt unreasonable. This theory also makes sense because it explains why Ricther is sent to kill him. Jacket failed to kill Biker, who was the biggest threat to 50 Blessings ( * Alongside Jacket slacking off on his missions ). Even hallucination Beard shows that Biker is still alive by showing a corpse of Biker saying that it isnt real.

Biker had a party at his house and you can find pills on the couch. It wouldnt shock me that Biker may have taken some before the fight and alot of party drugs have severe hallucinatory effects ( Apocalypse with the Son comes to mind here ). However, Biker when we see him has a nasty scar on his face, meaning that the fight was brutal both ways. Biker probably took a nasty blow to the face with a golf club while Jacket probably got sliced & beat up alongside with a close ranged headshot by the Rat.
Originally posted by Slam:
I think we can call this entire post spoilers so here we go.

I dont think any of the Hotline Miami 2 cast survived the events of Hotline Miami 2.

The intro scene to the Hard Mode gives the idea they are merely characters in a story that is now being reineacted in the Nuclear Remains of Miami. But yet again, this scene itself answers some major questions but also gives us some more.

Some ideas that are worth bringing up is....

Why is Jacket not present at the Table scene? He is the sole reason why Hotline Miami 2 takes place. You could argue that he doesnt need to be there but he is the reason everybody else is. Maybe they have a chance for redemption but no longer Jacket.

Why is Biker not present and where exactly is this desert he went to? Biker was arguably the most aware of 50 Blessings operations alongside Jake. However, Biker is a much bigger threat considering he doesn't like them, finds them annoying and is more than capable of killing them so wouldnt that make him a target against 50 Blessings? Another thing to mention is that the desert he went to? For anybody even remotely aware of the geography of America, they should know that there is no deserts anywhere near Miami. The closest would probably be Texas or in Mexico could the Hotline Miami America have a diffirent set biomes / states?

Lastly, there is a big thing I want to cover in this post.

JACKET AND BIKER BOTH SURVIVED THE FIGHT IN PHONE HOME IN HOTLINE MIAMI 1.

Jacket is super crazy, has very vivid and wild hallucinations so imagining he beat biker isnt unreasonable. This theory also makes sense because it explains why Ricther is sent to kill him. Jacket failed to kill Biker, who was the biggest threat to 50 Blessings ( * Alongside Jacket slacking off on his missions ). Even hallucination Beard shows that Biker is still alive by showing a corpse of Biker saying that it isnt real.

Biker had a party at his house and you can find pills on the couch. It wouldnt shock me that Biker may have taken some before the fight and alot of party drugs have severe hallucinatory effects ( Apocalypse with the Son comes to mind here ). However, Biker when we see him has a nasty scar on his face, meaning that the fight was brutal both ways. Biker probably took a nasty blow to the face with a golf club while Jacket probably got sliced & beat up alongside with a close ranged headshot by the Rat.
Jacket and Biker don't show up due to them not being characters that are used in the story. All the characters that are there are the ones that you play (Beard, The Fans, etc) and since Jacket/Biker aren't the main characters they aren't there. All of the characters aside from Richter all die at the end yes, but they die before the nukes were dropped. Again seeing as Jacket/Biker aren't the main focus of the game they were left out of the things. From what I've heard there was a cut level in the first one I believe that showed Jacket going in and killing 50 blessings, but somewhere along the line they decided otherwise.

Not to mention to tell another poster the people at the PD2 team have said Jacket is Canon in the Payday Universe so even if he is a fake which personally I don't think he is though I do love what they did for the voice instead of him talking they used the recorder and just used taped lines for him making him still a silent but deadly character.

Anywho Biker going into the "desert" could simply mean he went to another state such as Texas like you said. Jacket on the other hand I personally think he could have survived the explosion even what they say. Considering the fact he shows up in Payday 2 and is canon to the story of the game. I think that in the Hotline Universe he may of died, and in the PD universe none of the events of HM2 even take place since there is no mention of any of the events in the second game his description is of how he took out the Russian Mafia in the first game.
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Wave May 10, 2019 @ 5:10am 
Aside from Richter, what do you mean? I am very sure he didnt survive being nuked in Hawaii with his mother. Richard even says, Leaving this world isnt as scary as it sounds, and Richard is pretty good at telling when characters are about to die like with the Henchman and the Fans.
Originally posted by Slam:
Aside from Richter, what do you mean? I am very sure he didnt survive being nuked in Hawaii with his mother. Richard even says, Leaving this world isnt as scary as it sounds, and Richard is pretty good at telling when characters are about to die like with the Henchman and the Fans.
Richard never says to Jacket that he was going to die anytime soon. Richard simply told Jacket he would never truly understand what he was doing and why he was doing it.
Wave May 10, 2019 @ 1:28pm 
That's a very eye opening point. I also wonder a few things to this theory as well, such as Richter's escape from prison during the riot. We saw Jacket appear with his lawyer as Richter walked out during to the Courtyard.

Why wouldn't Jacket escape during the fighting, isn't he more than capable? Maybe he doesn't want to leave considering he has nothing to live for outside the jail.

Moving to the point at hand, Jacket would have to escape the prison, fight off anybody still alive, make it through the irradiated remains of Miami and live long enough to escape the blast zone and get treated for his wounds fighting and the radiation. It just seems so unlikely that Jacket could even survive, let alone want to keep going.
Originally posted by Slam:
That's a very eye opening point. I also wonder a few things to this theory as well, such as Richter's escape from prison during the riot. We saw Jacket appear with his lawyer as Richter walked out during to the Courtyard.

Why wouldn't Jacket escape during the fighting, isn't he more than capable? Maybe he doesn't want to leave considering he has nothing to live for outside the jail.

Moving to the point at hand, Jacket would have to escape the prison, fight off anybody still alive, make it through the irradiated remains of Miami and live long enough to escape the blast zone and get treated for his wounds fighting and the radiation. It just seems so unlikely that Jacket could even survive, let alone want to keep going.
Jacket didn't escape as he didn't find a need too. He thought his mission was done and that he got revenge for his friend beard. He also though he got revenge for his girlfriend. Because of that he decided not to try and escape since what would he do afterwords?
OP, you missed it. Jacket dies in prison. It wasn't supposed to be advertised, but he is the blonde-haired man lifting weights in prison when the atom bomb drops. It most certainly killed him.
Jacket appears in the first Hawaii level, Ambush. He gets a photo with beard, and beard pockets the polaroid. Later when Jacket is almost killed in the power plant explosion, beard gives him the polaroid and says something like "take this so you remember who saved your (butt spelled with an A), its on the house."
This is the same polaroid picture that Jacket drops from the balcony after killing the russian mafia boss, the father of The Son (guy who didn't take it easy on the pills and couldn't get a grip lol)
If we tie this together, jacket and beard were good friends, as evident by them talking on the phone after the war and beard asking for a copy of the photo - right before he gets absolutely rekt, and that is why jacket starts seeing beard everywhere he goes - beard died in a san francisco bombing years prior to the first game's events, but jacket can't move on. Although jacket is bald in the first game, he is actually blonde in the 2nd game, at least. This is evident by his depiction when he gets arrested in the Hotline Miami 2 digital comics (free download on steam, search it up).
Anyways, the prisoner that we see get nuked at the end of the 2nd game is Jacket, he has the same hairstyle as Jacket in the digital comics, looks exactly like Jacket in hawaii, and is in prison for his crimes. There is no way he would have been able to leave Miami in police custody, and the entire city got nuked. Given all that evidence, it is almost impossible for jacket to have lived.

CHARACTERS WHO MIGHT BE ALIVE:

Biker
-nobody knows if he left Miami before the nuke, although he is seen outside the courthouse early in the game)

The Army General
-it is not made clear if he lived anywhere near where the bomb dropped, but extra info - he is assumed to be the leader of 50 blessings, as the news report in the last scene says an ex-army general was running the group that killed the russian president. He could have been in Miami, but nobody knows.

The Janitors
-this one's a stretch, but it is possible the janitors are still alive depending on what you did to them in the first game. You have the choice not to kill them at the end of hotline miami 1, and it could be possible that they ran off to another city, but they could have very well stayed put.

Richard, Rasmus and Don Juan
-It is not clear if these are real people, spiritual entities, or figments of one's mind. These people could be dead, alive or not even physically exist in the first place.

Thanks for reading my essay, lmao
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if you have any more questions, reply to this comment. don't s#it up the thread by replying to my big reply.
Originally posted by james is fat lol:
if you have any more questions, reply to this comment. don't s#it up the thread by replying to my big reply.
It was obvious that the one in the prison cell was Jacket. I'm saying there could be an off chance he MIGHT of survived seeing as how Richard never explicitly tells him he will die soon like the other characters.
Richard is more of a chill death the way I see it. He appears to the characters when they are losing their way and tries to put them back on track before they end up dying, the only characters Richard seems to feel sympathy towards are Richter and Beard (You can see him show it too him in the hidden cutscene for new game + before the game starts) as those characters were only doing what they did too protect their loved ones and friends. Richter doing it so he could protect his mother, and Beard doing it so he could protect America and his family back home. Both did not want to do what they did but they did it because there was no other way. Beard may have also accepted his fate eventually. Or Richard realizes that it was so sudden that he didn't have time to warn Beard. He shows more sympathy towards Richter as he is the only character out of them all to accept his fate "No need to fight it then". And instead of being cruel Richard comforts Richter telling him that leaving this world is not as bad as you may think.

Now what is my reasoning for thinking Jacket could have possibly survived? Well it's entirely to the player to think of their reasons, this kind of story telling is one of my favorite kinds. Anyway it could be possible depending on where the bomb dropped and how the prison was hit as the bomb dropped Jacket is seen in his cell and simply waiting. Now I'm going to mention PD2 as he is canon in that game (Devs have said it) but I personally think that universe is different and the events of HM2 never take place in that games story.

HM's story is easily one of my favorite it plays on the idea that no one truly knows what they're doing and why they are doing it. And in the end it was all for not.
Maniachanical May 21, 2019 @ 4:33pm 
Have we considered the possibility that Jacket *MAY* have survived the nuking while in prison?
Prisons are usually incredibly tough buildings on their own, but also remember that we only see the interior of Jacket's cell, and not anything surrounding it. The chances of him surviving go up if we consider the possibility that Jacket would likely have been in solitude (I think that's what it's called) considering his amount of violence, and as such, his cell would likely be in a below-ground level, assuming that this prison is one that even has sub-level cells. if this is the case (which is a bit of a stretch, I know), then it seems reasonable to say that the underground cell worked as a sort of bunker/bomb shelter, and the blast we see was actually happening above him (the biggest betrayal of this are the shadows that appear from the flash, hmm...).
Originally posted by Maniachanical:
Have we considered the possibility that Jacket *MAY* have survived the nuking while in prison?
Prisons are usually incredibly tough buildings on their own, but also remember that we only see the interior of Jacket's cell, and not anything surrounding it. The chances of him surviving go up if we consider the possibility that Jacket would likely have been in solitude (I think that's what it's called) considering his amount of violence, and as such, his cell would likely be in a below-ground level, assuming that this prison is one that even has sub-level cells. if this is the case (which is a bit of a stretch, I know), then it seems reasonable to say that the underground cell worked as a sort of bunker/bomb shelter, and the blast we see was actually happening above him (the biggest betrayal of this are the shadows that appear from the flash, hmm...).

i dont think that was it.
we gotta look at the intentions of dennaton. the end was supposed to rule out any chance of a sequel.
it was a big ♥♥♥♥ you ending.
also im pretty sure the nuke rips through his cell, i can't remember.
every nuclear wave goes over residence of the characters shown though? idk
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Wave May 21, 2019 @ 6:15pm 
Alright, lets get this out of the way. Jacket doesn't get an happy ending because he doesn't want one or deserves one. Jacket went out of his way to go out and kill russians instead of trying to get back whatever life he could have salvaged. He's probably been dealt the worst hand in life ever. Lets go over some points on why Jacket will never survive Hotline Miami or its sequel.

1. Jacket has literally nothing to live for at this point. Everybody he has loved or been friends with is dead and there was nothing he could do to have stopped it. Nobody would want to be even near him considering his infamous status being pushed by the news plastering his face everywhere. Even considering the idea of getting revenge on 50 Blessings, I don't think Jacket even knew it was them giving the calls in the first place and he probably figures they have been wiped clean off any map with the nukes, or 50 Blessings already evacuated. Even after all of this, maybe Jacket doesn't even want to live because he has nothing, absolutely nothing.

2. Let's give Jacket the best possible spot to survive that bomb. Underground jail cell would be a good way to keep him alive, despite Jacket probably not having one of those. Jacket would have no food, no water, and nobody to get him outside his cell. There would be nothing to keep him alive for MILES and this doesn't even include the radiation if Jacket even makes it out of the Prison. Finally, if Jacket beats EVERY SINGLE ODD, and I do mean everything. He is probably one of the most infamous killers in America, making him feared by pretty much every single civilian. Some of which may fear him enough to try and kill him in self defense. Law Enforcement will just throw him into another cell or kill him. And if Jacket survives that, 50 Blessings may hear about it and try another attempt to kill him.

Maybe if Jacket did things diffirently, and maybe listened to Richard ( "Who is leaving the calls on your answering machine?" Richard is saying 50 Blessings is here, if Jacket wasn't so blinded by his revenge on the Russians ). (" Do you like hurting other people?", yeah Jacket does alot, and maybe if he didn't, he could have actually helped Biker and gotten on the right track, figuring out who is actually behind the calls.) If Jacket got the RIGHT number, he would have found out the real reason on the people who have ruined Jacket's life more and probably both taken out the Mafia and the 50 Blessings.

A true ending to Hotline Miami is one where Jacket gets things right. Jacket would have understood that the Russian Mafia isn't the only threat, wipes them completely, and I mean every single member of the mob, including the Son, out and then goes and wipes out 50 Blessings as well. If this whole thing were to happen, Jacket would have had his revenge and could die happy considering he has been avenged completely. Hotline Miami 2 probably would never happen if Jacket managed to get the RIGHT number, but instead we are left with Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number because Jacket didn't listen to Richard and got the Wrong Number.
holy SWAG May 22, 2019 @ 7:51am 
jacket is dead lo
pug_studio_48 Jul 8, 2019 @ 7:05pm 
Originally posted by Are you sure about that?:
After beating both Hotline Miamis. It was one hell of a ride. That ending kinda brought a tear to my eye. I know Jacket isn't dead thanks to Payday 2 but you kinda grow fond of the other characters. Y'know?
pay day 2 jacket is an alternative timeline where jacket escapes from prison in the level release.
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