What's up with the Chapter 3 worm boss?

[MindfulOcean]

Dodging and parrying are ridiculously difficult in the fight compared to everything else so far, and as far as I can tell, it's basically random whether or not you can get away from the boss when it sucks you in and does a ton of damage.

Is the fight glitched? Am I missing something? Does this trend continue with future fights? I've seen a lot of negative reviews about the combat, and prior to this fight, I didn't really know what problems a person might be having. For reference, I beat YS IX and played plenty of YS VIII and I haven't yet killed the worm on Easy.

[QisTopTier]

It's a ♥♥♥♥ designed boss one of the worst in the series, it's not at all designed well. For the most part just cheese it stay close do 2 skills (4 when skill chain is higher) then block/parry when revenge gauge is maxed use that then block/parry ♥♥♥♥ sucked. Camera sucked for it too

https://youtu.be/gLOMN86Wgds?si=Jg_WFBHMt-1fhNsK

There is a proper way to fight it but the thing is just jank overall

[QisTopTier]

Hmm fight isnt too bad on easy actually thing doesnt even last one minute

https://youtu.be/FVf2DgAZ8Ls?si=tdx48jL_6oesuqcV

[steven]

Basically, his pattern are not that hard and you see it coming far ahead and you have time to react.

When you are too close (like 10-20 secs of attacks), he will either :
- go a little bit underground (like half his body) then go down totally to pull you (and deal massive damages), so you have time to get out.
- OR he will just repel you with the white smog screaming attack, breaking your duo shield if not properly guarded
- OR send some "obstacles" that poison you

When he tries to suck you in his mouth, attracting all the sand and obstacles, i just spammed DASH or the SURF at the opposite direction, like SURF for 2 secs (so you have an initial boost), cancel it, then re-use it... rinse and repeat.
At the end of the suck, i was far enough from him.

When he sends you his blue shots, you can dodge at the last second to have an animation with Adol and Karja (press A on a controller for me), dealing a good chunk of damage. He did this multiple times in the fight so free DPS.

After he is under half health, he stop pulling you and start emiting the white fog (meaning if you don't guard properly, your shield will be broken and you are free to take another hit)
This phase is not really hard when you understand how to guard. It's just spamming guard at the right time at every white fog attacks, so you build your Revenge meter (and you had previously a book buffing it to X2.2).

For DPSing, just use duo mode all the time. Your DPS is far better tahn solo and with the Revenge meter, you deal huge damages.
For closing gaps, abuse mana bind.

Did it today in Hard without healing once (was at 200 hp each lol). Did 7 tries before killing him.
1-2 : got ♥♥♥♥♥ hard without seeing his other pattern under half health. Used every healing / rez items i had
2-5 : put him under half health and was stun in a cycle of rezzing and dying 1 sec later so another rez, another death .... Used every healing / rez items i had
6 : put him to 10% hp. Used half my healing items, though my life was not low enough to be killed so didn't use another heal (wrong lol)
7 : ded worm

I don't understand ppl saying camera is ♥♥♥♥ ? Just don't lock it and be free to use your camera ?

[Croxio]

This boss is not that hard, you have to be careful for his final phase, you can resurrect without too much trouble at a smaller hit box when you res (or it's that I was at a height that he can't touch for the 360° turn attack). Igi is much harder to beat.

[Nonexistinghero]

I first-tried it on Nightmare. It wasn't 'easy', but it wasn't all that hard either. Every time killed someone his next attack would just miss when I'm reviving. For the rest just need to get good at perfect blocking and pay attention so you can get away in time with the quicksand attack.

[Honorable_D]

Originally posted by QisTopTier:

Hmm fight isnt too bad on easy actually thing doesnt even last one minute

https://youtu.be/FVf2DgAZ8Ls?si=tdx48jL_6oesuqcV

Playing a Ys game on easy is a crime. I'm not joking. You play on Hard or higher with Ys.

Come on dude...

[CLG]

This boss has some pretty terrible hit boxes that don't really make any sense. I didn't get "stuck" on this boss but it was pretty frustrating to see how terribly designed it was.

[Mazhigigika Miludin do Din Nol..]

First phase go ham, you only need to worry about the body slam and the vacuum machine, if he isn't doing those attacks you should be dealing damage, easy enough.

Second phase theres 3 attacks, the one where it spins, easiest perfect block in the game, after that you can deal lots of damage

The slam and shake, distance yourself to not get caugth in the shake part.

And at last the 4 hit combo, first 3 hits are easy to block, the 4th is faster than you would expect, it should hit you one time and after that you can no damage it.

[QisTopTier]

Originally posted by Honorable_D:

Originally posted by QisTopTier:

Hmm fight isnt too bad on easy actually thing doesnt even last one minute

https://youtu.be/FVf2DgAZ8Ls?si=tdx48jL_6oesuqcV

Playing a Ys game on easy is a crime. I'm not joking. You play on Hard or higher with Ys.

Come on dude...

You do realize the video above it beating it on inferno is mine too right? I just reloaded a save and knocked it down to easy for the op

[Honorable_D]

No I didn't realize that. I take back what I said.

[Goudaba]

Originally posted by QisTopTier:

It's a ♥♥♥♥ designed boss one of the worst in the series, it's not at all designed well. For the most part just cheese it stay close do 2 skills (4 when skill chain is higher) then block/parry when revenge gauge is maxed use that then block/parry ♥♥♥♥ sucked. Camera sucked for it too

https://youtu.be/gLOMN86Wgds?si=Jg_WFBHMt-1fhNsK

There is a proper way to fight it but the thing is just jank overall

This is also how I beat it.
Do the free QTE at the start buy just running through his 1st attack, the force it to go in vacuum mode and do 1-2 hit - Perfect block(Easy do do when timed with sound effect) - Dual Skill - Repeat until Dead.
For some reasons, doing this will keep the boss in vacuum mode and he'll never go in phase 2.

[Croxio]

Originally posted by Honorable_D:

Playing a Ys game on easy is a crime. I'm not joking. You play on Hard or higher with Ys.

This is true for the modern ys. Ys 0, 3 or 6 in normal, it's not at all the same thing as the normal of ys 8,9,10....

Personally I play in nightmare, and there the only boss who really posed a problem is Igi (I finished chapter 5, not started chapter 6).

And again it will take something really violent to be a real challenge, because the bento offers a lot of healing, and the level of optimization of build is more advanced than earlier in the game.

[CLG]

I only play on nightmare but a lot of these bosses feel pretty gimmicky instead of being actually difficult in this game. I guess there's not much they can do when they establish the new guard mechanic as the bread and butter with every fight being built around it.

[Diabolical Taco]

Did this boss on nightmare. Getting away from him is beyond simple. Just run out and weave past obstacles. If you want to get to phase 2 faster, stay close and bait him to pop out to get in a few big hits then take a few steps away as he goes back in the ground into suck-mode, repeat running up the side, but stay close. Forget trying to get mass distance as it puts you in a pattern that takes longer to burn him down.

Phase 2 is a question of perfect blocking as he winds around, but if you continue to stay close to the base, he won't do this very much then he'll wind up repeating most of what he was doing in phase 1. You just have to watch for him to pop out for the back and forth slam, then just go to the side and melt him.

Boss is actually pretty well designed. It's not often I die more than twice on any boss in any game, and I'm honestly impressed the worm managed to do it. Hit detection is fine as is the openings needed to handle everything else. The TLDR is: skill issue.

[aNv0idr]

I beat the worm boss on nightmare by literally just standing near the worm all the time and by letting the worm suck. Just hold block to nullify any and all damage and to increase revenge counter (you can also hold run/evade to nullify any blue attacks in the game). Shouldn't take too long to figure out how many times you can attack bosses before having to block enemy attacks. Ys 10 seems to have noobified the battle mechanism compared to older Ys games. You don't have to time any dodge/blocks in Ys 10. Timing blocks/dodges manually is fully optional if you want the extra bonus effect.