Wasteland 3

[Echokis]

"Wasteland 3 will feature a deep and engaging story utilizing a newly-revamped dialog tree system from the celebrated writers of Torment: Tides of Numenera"

How the writers of Tides of Numenera are celebrated when the game is unfinished and unreleased is beyond me.

I hate that inXile clearly is working with publishers, but they then kickstart their game. Even though they clearly have the ability to fund the game themselves.

[Kim]

Originally posted by Fatikis:

I hate that inXile clearly is working with publishers, but they then kickstart their game. Even though they clearly have the ability to fund the game themselves.

I'm guessing Techland is just handling the marketing and distribution responsibilities for Tides, not funding or in any way influencing the development of the game. Like Paradox did for Obsidian with Pillars of Eternity. The reason inXile, Obsidian, and other developers had to use Kickstarter is because virtually no publisher was willing to take a risk funding the development of old school isometric cRPGs back then (things may have changed now, with the success of Wasteland 2, PoE, Divinity:OS, etc.), but that doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't use publishers to help make people buy their games.

[Murb]

How about they finish the game i already bought. Then we can talk about backing another game.

[CoryStar]

Originally posted by Murb:

How about they finish the game i already bought. Then we can talk about backing another game.

[sarcasm]Sure, let's have all the concept artists, and writers, and pre-production people, and producers, and directors, etc all just sit around and wait for the programmers/graphic designers/map designers/testers/etc to do their job on the last game.

That is a great business decision![/sarcasm]

This is why you don't run a business, because you have no idea how it actually works.

This exact same thing happened when WL2 was in EA. Torment was started at that point.

Because not everyone can do any job. In life, just like in RPGs, you specialize. So the people who are done working on Torment are not going to just sit around. They are going to work on a different project(like BT4 or WL3).

[Ruinous]

Originally posted by Fatikis:

How the writers of Tides of Numenera are celebrated when the game is unfinished and unreleased is beyond me.

The writing talent on Tides is absolutely the top-tier in game development, the quote is most likely referring to their previous experience from different genres and games, though if you've played the beta at all you'd know the writing in Tides is some of the best seen in almost *any* game thus far.

They aren't using Kickstarter this time, but Fig. Alongside the tradition crowd funding tiers, people can invest money to gain a share in potential profits. Not sure if the crowd funding platform is also less expense for them than Kickstarter, but the trade off is people aren't as aware (and possibly trusting) of Fig. As for why crowd fund part of the development budget given their success with WL2, I'd hazard thats more of a why not rather than a need to. By doing so they certainly mitigate some of the risk.

[Echokis]

Originally posted by CoryStarkiller:

[sarcasm]Sure, let's have all the concept artists, and writers, and pre-production people, and producers, and directors, etc all just sit around and wait for the programmers/graphic designers/map designers/testers/etc to do their job on the last game.

That is a great business decision![/sarcasm]

This is why you don't run a business, because you have no idea how it actually works.

This exact same thing happened when WL2 was in EA. Torment was started at that point.

Because not everyone can do any job. In life, just like in RPGs, you specialize. So the people who are done working on Torment are not going to just sit around. They are going to work on a different project(like BT4 or WL3).

I actually don't mind they have people working on another game.

I'm just annoyed they are using crowd funding. They clearly have money to work with. They are clearly willing to work with publishers. So basically they are saying we want you to pay for their game when we have no idea what the final product will be.

It is an even more diabolical extension of preorders. imo crowd funding should be used when a developer cannot publish a game without it.

[DCid]

They're not getting anymore support from me. If you're smart. Dont invest your money into another of their BS.

Let's teach InXile a lesson about not pissing off the PC Gaming community.

[Kim]

Originally posted by DCid:

Dont invest your money into another of their BS.

By backing a kickstarter you are making a donation, not an investment. Huge difference.

[CoryStar]

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by DCid:

Dont invest your money into another of their BS.

By backing a kickstarter you are making a donation, not an investment. Huge difference.

Except they are using https://www.fig.co/

And there is actual investment options.

Though, the way that DCid used "invest" doesn't only have to imply something along the lines of stocks/etc.

"devote (one's time, effort, or energy) to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result."

You could safely add money into that, and it would just mean that you gave them money and have an expectation of a game some time in the future.

Originally posted by Fatikis:

I actually don't mind they have people working on another game.
I'm just annoyed they are using crowd funding. They clearly have money to work with. They are clearly willing to work with publishers. So basically they are saying we want you to pay for their game when we have no idea what the final product will be.
It is an even more diabolical extension of preorders. imo crowd funding should be used when a developer cannot publish a game without it.

I had no idea that you have access to inxile's finances.

The work that the publisher is doing, is handling the physical distribution, such as Kickstarter rewards and non-digital copies of the game. And *maybe* advertising/marketing.

But not actual funding of the games. They don't want the publisher's influence on the actual creation of the game. Which is why they have come to Kickstarter/Fig for 3 games so far, and 1 shortly.

There is nothing about crowd-funding that is diabolical. No one is forced to give money to the development. You are free to wait until the game is completed.

And based off of how the development of Wasteland 2 went, and how the development of Torment is going, we have a pretty good idea of the final product will be like. You don't need to be a backer to read their updates. You can just go to their Kickstarter pages and read all the updates, go on their forum and read their posts, and go to their youtube page and watch their videos.

Backing Wasteland 2 *might* have been a risk. They had not made a cRPG in the classic style in a long time, but by this point inxile has earned our trust. They made WL2, then further polished it into the WL2:DC, and Torment is releasing in early 2017. It's a pretty safe bet on the quality of Bard's Tale 4, or Wasteland 3.

Off-Topic: Putting 2 spaces after each sentence is a relic of a typewriter's poor formatting. Computers do not suffer from these formatting issues, and you no longer need to have 2 spaces after each sentence.

[ADAM & eva hanim]

Originally posted by Fatikis:

Even though they clearly have the ability to fund the game themselves.

clearly you have the ability to provide proof for this statement.

[ADAM & eva hanim]

Originally posted by DCid:

If you're smart. Dont invest your money into another of their BS.

Yeah, it's better to buy abominations from bethesda instead. I'm sure DCid agree.

Let's teach bethesda a lesson about not pissing off the PC Gaming community.

Fixed that for you.

[izgule]

Considering who is behind FIG, I have a great deal of concerns about Wasteland 3 crowd sourcing....

[Etagloc]

So far, I have enjoyed every game released from inxile, more than any recent AAA games.

I see my tribute as a way to pre order the game, (and at the same time get the game at a cheaper price. I think I payed like 20-25$ for W2 as an early backer)

If the game is good, and you don't go overboard with your backing, why not back/buy it early at a cheaper price...

Ofc you might be disappointed if the game sucks... but so far, I like what I have played.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by Fatikis:

I'm just annoyed they are using crowd funding. They clearly have money to work with. They are clearly willing to work with publishers. So basically they are saying we want you to pay for their game when we have no idea what the final product will be.

It is an even more diabolical extension of preorders. imo crowd funding should be used when a developer cannot publish a game without it.

You obviously don't understand the difference between what you actually know and what you imagine.

It makes you look like a fool.

Unless you are holding the financial reports of the company detailing revenues, expenses and cash on hand, you know nothing.

[Echokis]

Originally posted by Qiox:

You obviously don't understand the difference between what you actually know and what you imagine.

It makes you look like a fool.

Unless you are holding the financial reports of the company detailing revenues, expenses and cash on hand, you know nothing.

We know that inXile is willing to work with publishers.

If inXile is willing to put the release of their game on hold they more than likely have cash to work with.

Not being able to infer information makes you a fool. It is extremely likely inXile could publish this game without crowd funding. Pretending otherwise is absurd.

Off-Topic:Two spaces is still the standard. It also make sentences easier to read especially for the vision impared.

[DrMcCoy]

Originally posted by Fatikis:

Off-Topic:Two spaces is still the standard. It also make sentences easier to read especially for the vision impared.

Doesn't help here though because HTML renderers collapse consecutive spaces down into a single space.