Final ending panel SPOILERS

[AlisterCat]

Do not read this unless you have finished the game.

In the final panel we see Echo Secunda in Oriel Toussaint's body. It is revealed he is the one in the red jacket on the bike, and has a smile on his face like he had some hand in what happened. Then a man in a car pulls up behind him who we don't know or get a great look at.

What did Echo or Oriel have to do with the events after he escaped? As far as I could tell from the story he was just an unfortunate victim of the experiments gone wrong.

Maybe this isn't clear and will be answered in DLC.

[smuchmuch]

I don't think he played a role in the events of the finale per se (at least there are nothing that hints at it beyind his presence at the very very end), so much as we was observing to see how thing would go down.

I'm just speculating there but I think ihe was after the IDOL and if the IDOL hadn't been smashed already, he may have been planing on destroying him himself. (Remember he's not partoculalry fond of the device since y'know it was used to take his mind once already... And of course his whole mission si to 'protect Lemuria from itself', he is the willy wolf of the tale, I think). So it's very possible he sees the idol or any technology derived from Lemurian artifacts as something in relation to that.

Anymore than that we'll have to wait for the DLCs, if they even tackle it.

[AlisterCat]

Originally posted by smuchmuch:

I don't think he played a role in the events of the finale per se (at least there are nothing that hints at it beyind his presence at the very very end), so much as we was observing to see how thing would go down.

I'm just speculating there but I think ihe was after the IDOL and if the IDOL hadn't been smashed already, he may have been planing on destroying him himself. (Remember he's not partoculalry fond of the device since y'know it was used to take his mind once already... And of course his whole mission si to 'protect Lemuria from itself', he is the willy wolf of the tale, I think). So it's very possible he sees the idol or any technology derived from Lemurian artifacts as something in relation to that.

Anymore than that we'll have to wait for the DLCs, if they even tackle it.

That makes sense. Having him on the title screen and the finale scene is just a bit weird for how little that factored in. Can't wait to see where they go with it!

[Starit]

My bet is that he grabbed the components from the IDOL (which were pretty intact except for the lenses) before they took it away. He’ll be in the DLC for sure.

[smuchmuch]

It's also possible he may not be in DLCs and may be kept for the third game: "Revenge of the Golden Idol: Idol harder !" :p

One thing I *do* find interesting about this character and how h'll be characterized in the future is how he may end up contrasting with the villain of both the previous game and this game.

After all he describes himself as the (possibly self proclaimed) guardian of Lemurian society against itself. This is... interesting considering in some ways that is very close from both Jack and Edmund motivation (though they both of course contrast in how they went about it how their personality colored their way of gooing about it.)


Edmund was a ruthles politician and a hyporcrite who certianly enjoyed benefits of his power (be it his new found youth or his esire for the 'perfect wife' while he was preaching moderation into others). But I do beleive he was at least at first sincere in his beleief of creating a perfect platonic society. His hubris saw himself as the perfect 'philosopher king' to rule it (Plato would be quite proud). But an important part of why he also believed into forcing the rules of virtue is that he beelived in saving Albion from a percieved decadence similar to what Echo Secundus seems to have seen in his own Lemurian society. The great difference is that Edmund becam the sciety, the power and excess himself while Echo Secindus seemed more from little we lnow of his legend to have been some sort of revolutionary on the side...

Jack by comparaison to Edmund cannot be called a hyocrite. He trully believed in his motives to the end, otherwise he would not have sacrificed himself to have his personnality deleted along all the others he intended to do it to as well. He is if anything, at the start dangerously naive. This naivity mixed with a progressive delusionement is what push him to a plan that is, in the end pretty crazy. while he enver describe his society as decadent, it's clear he felt that way to a point, he felt change was needed, even to the point of whishing to acomplish waht would effectively be a colosal act of mass murder int he end.

In their atempt to change their society and stop what they percieved as the wrong dirrection, Edmund became a hypocritical tyrant while Jack became an idealistic but insane terrorist ....What is Echo Secundus going to be, I wonder ? We know he certainly doesn't seem to shy away from violence and the legend of the willy wolf (if it doesindeed applies to him, could be more complicated), seems to paint a somewhat grim pciture of him.