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WetNachosFlavor 19 DIC 2022 a las 18:54
Cayo Perico Broken stealth
Killing guards at the north dock raises the alarm for no reason especially the one in the tower if everyone is dead some guards also have x ray vision wtf?? i did this heist 100 times and never seen that behavior.
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PanPan 20 DIC 2022 a las 11:39 
R* increased payout for most activities and business, so don't say "untouched"

The cooldown was a nerf to moneymaking.
Spotting deadbodies is just normal but yeah R* solving an issue is usually to nerf, not to solve...
Última edición por PanPan; 20 DIC 2022 a las 11:42
gexx 20 DIC 2022 a las 12:51 
3 months later - 24 hours Cayo cooldown
6 months later - with 2 + players
1 year after - Cayo island erased from game.
:steammocking:
Última edición por gexx; 20 DIC 2022 a las 12:54
Soloplayer902 20 DIC 2022 a las 12:58 
Publicado originalmente por gexx:
3 months later - 24 hours Cayo cooldown
6 months later - with 2 + players
1 year after - Cayo island erased from game.
:steammocking:
Well they could reduce the payout to 500k
gexx 20 DIC 2022 a las 13:04 
Publicado originalmente por soloplayer989:
Publicado originalmente por gexx:
3 months later - 24 hours Cayo cooldown
6 months later - with 2 + players
1 year after - Cayo island erased from game.
:steammocking:
Well they could reduce the payout to 500k
Hey good idea 500K Panther
Diamond 400K
Documents 300K
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:steamthumbsup:
who plays cayo anyway now ? such a boring way to make money
nightclub, agency, bunker, random free mode missions, there are so many better opportunities
geex 20 DIC 2022 a las 15:59 
Publicado originalmente por Gangster le Baba de la cité:
who plays cayo anyway now ? such a boring way to make money
nightclub, agency, bunker, random free mode missions, there are so many better opportunities
Bunker - low paid (for soloing)
Nightclub - It takes for ages to collect 400-500 K (safe is OKish)
Agency - long and boring after 2 -3 finales
Random free modes - full of cheaters (could be good on 2x 3x coop missions)

So nothing cant beat Heists (Cayo / Doomsday / Casino) unless you have 100 + millions in bank to fool around .

Most people playing profitable things in this game because R* puts high standards where is everything overpriced (full of dumb trucks that does nothing , but you must own it to unlock 1 single add-on ,etc... )
Última edición por geex; 20 DIC 2022 a las 16:18
AldrickExGladius™ 20 DIC 2022 a las 16:36 
Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
Publicado originalmente por gexx:
Yeap , now they are making frog soup ,until they make it totally unplayable .

Exactly, at which point does the frog notice he is being boiled to death? I said it several updates ago, I can pull up the threads, and I was given all types of excuses and denial. I called the drop rate nerf long before most people even noticed, now it's tequila all day every day....with a cool down lol! They are nerfing it slowly to avoid the backlash and people are falling for it.

I mean just look at their track record, they refuse to fix most bugs and leave them there for years. But this one heist gets touched every update. A camera added here, a juggernaut fixed there, another drop rate nerf here, a door glitch there, a cooldown for good measure and if that doesn't improve sales we'll just make guards detect bodies without giving you a way to hide them and not mention a word about it in the patch notes. Let the idiots figure it out and waste their precious time doing it.

It's unrelenting greed, that is what this is. Instead of saying thank you to the players for giving them almost 10 billion dollars for this poorly maintained game over the past decade and opening it up so we can have some fun before the next title releases, they are still nerfing it in the hopes of draining even more money out of our pockets. They want every cent, they want you to dig into the deepest corner of your couch and grab the change out of there too. What a disgusting ungrateful company.

If you think this is bad know this, they are learning and will use all this experience to completely lock down GTA VI. You will have no fun in that game without reaching deep into that wallet. I suspect that when GTA VI online comes out and it 100% will shortly after the single player version releases, you will be paying a monthly subscription to enjoy most of the low effort "DLC" that you enjoyed for free in this game. People really need to start putting their foot down and voting with their wallets. These scumbags that are left at Rockstar Games, their greed knows no limits.

Worst part about this is that it stops becoming fun at some point, the game just sucks. Not only is the low effort content they are releasing mediocre at best, earning the money to buy it is bordering on torture. I got so fed up doing Cayo before all the nerfs, I couldn't imagine having to do it now. I'm glad I don't have to because if I did, I'd 100% find something else to play instead. "Fun" looks a little different to me.
this is why I plan on staying away from GTA6.
Roland 20 DIC 2022 a las 17:02 
Publicado originalmente por Jlock:
Killing guards at the north dock raises the alarm for no reason especially the one in the tower if everyone is dead some guards also have x ray vision wtf?? i did this heist 100 times and never seen that behavior.
I skipped all the replies because I just don't feel like it, but I'm sure someone else already said it's not just the North Dock guards, also you might not even be able to replicate your previous alarming.

Here's a list of things that have triggered the alarm for me and a couple friends across 3 different runs:
Hacking the elevator to rubio's office and going up.
Going into Rubio's office and touching the elevator but not starting the hack (touching the blue ring)
Touching the basement stash gate.
Walking too close to one of the keypads for the basement gate stash.
Just swimming underwater.
Climbing up to the second floor in the hangar.
Leaving a body in front of the hangar (was the first time we ever saw "a body has been found" in Cayo)
I've probably forgotten a couple; there was a lot of restarts

The Hangar body one was the only one we were able to replicate with any kind of consistency. Every single other time was random AF.
I've been using the same method ever since the 3rd time I solo'd it and have been teaching people said method and route ever since so nothing I listed should have happened but it did.
Roland 20 DIC 2022 a las 17:42 
Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:

Exactly, at which point does the frog notice he is being boiled to death? I said it several updates ago, I can pull up the threads, and I was given all types of excuses and denial. I called the drop rate nerf long before most people even noticed, now it's tequila all day every day....with a cool down lol! They are nerfing it slowly to avoid the backlash and people are falling for it.
Do people not play other games? "Frog being boiled to death" though? That would imply we have no control and must just take it, when we can just play other games until ♥♥♥♥ changes...

And I'd be curious to see actual data mined proof of these drop rates, because out of the 3 runs I did in the last 36 hours we got Diamond Necklace, Pink Diamond, and my one friend did it for the first time so it was the pics. I was on a hiatus for a few months, but I genuinely can't remember the last time I got tequila.

Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
I mean just look at their track record, they refuse to fix most bugs and leave them there for years. But this one heist gets touched every update. A camera added here, a juggernaut fixed there, another drop rate nerf here, a door glitch there, a cooldown for good measure and if that doesn't improve sales we'll just make guards detect bodies without giving you a way to hide them and not mention a word about it in the patch notes. Let the idiots figure it out and waste their precious time doing it.
You clearly have not been around since 2015. A LOT of bugs have been fixed over the almost 8 years it's been on PC. Definitely not every bug, but many, some might even say "most" have been fixed. There's definitely still some old ones in there, and new ones do pop up, but to say they haven't fixed most of them is an ignorant stance. (and I mean that by it's actual definition, in being a lack of knowledge)

Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
It's unrelenting greed, that is what this is. Instead of saying thank you to the players for giving them almost 10 billion dollars for this poorly maintained game over the past decade and opening it up so we can have some fun before the next title releases, they are still nerfing it in the hopes of draining even more money out of our pockets. They want every cent, they want you to dig into the deepest corner of your couch and grab the change out of there too. What a disgusting ungrateful company.
The bugs don't come from Rockstar's greed, they come from player greed. (yea I know, I'm lighting the burner, go ahead and flame me but hear me out first)
Trying to fix glitches and exploits will OFTEN lead to bugs. If people would stop glitching doors and other nonsense and play the way it's meant to be played we would get less patches to Cayo to fix said exploits and thus less bugs introduced to it.
I've personally never understood the need. Even when it's bearer bonds and I'm solo I get out with at least 1.1 mil and typically only shoot 6 guys the entire time. It's genuinely easy as ♥♥♥♥ to play the game as intended (when we don't have bugs like the current one obviously)
Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
If you think this is bad know this, they are learning and will use all this experience to completely lock down GTA VI. You will have no fun in that game without reaching deep into that wallet. I suspect that when GTA VI online comes out and it 100% will shortly after the single player version releases, you will be paying a monthly subscription to enjoy most of the low effort "DLC" that you enjoyed for free in this game. People really need to start putting their foot down and voting with their wallets. These scumbags that are left at Rockstar Games, their greed knows no limits.
I hope I remember to revisit this when I have 2k hours in GTA 6 as well, because to date I have only "reached into my wallet" 1 time in the last 7 years and that was only because they had a bonus on the 8 million card and it was only like $15. And that was back when Smuggler's Run launched. I just did heists for cash and VIP work during cooldowns, and I own everything I want (and have for like the last 4 major patches).
I've often asked people "what's the rush? the game isn't going anywhere" and I ask that because that's the only reason to "reach into your wallet" is to rush your income. (though I usually ask it of modders who use the excuse that it takes too long to earn things)

Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
Worst part about this is that it stops becoming fun at some point, the game just sucks. Not only is the low effort content they are releasing mediocre at best,
This is the first thing you've said that I definitely agree with. I finish new content in a day or two and then spend about a week hopping lobby to lobby to see if Lowbies need help, only to eventually disappear for months until the next content drop cuz there's nothing I'm personally interested in doing anymore.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not stanning the game or anything, this game makes me utter the phrase "This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game..." so often that it's become a meme among my friends. Even Paladins doesn't make me go "This ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game..." as much (and Paladins players know what I mean lol) I just feel that your response is coming more from a place of emotion rather than fact, and statements about game flaws are not taken seriously when they are coming from a strong emotional basis; at least not by large devs like this. (indie devs are a lot better about investigating outcrys) I say this as someone who has filled out way too many support tickets in his short time on this Earth, and have tried many different approaches. (ask me about Ubisoft not fixing a progress breaking bug in FC4 and FC5, i dare ya lol)

Anyway, I'll leave it at that. You can light your molotovs and start throwing em at me now, but I hope you read the entire reply before doing so.
:doubleedge:
Última edición por Roland; 20 DIC 2022 a las 17:45
cruste 20 DIC 2022 a las 19:25 
hellsmoke talking lots of nonsense with a few bits of truth

R* fixed a ton of bugs but some bugs can't be fixed that easy and as other already mentioned it is also possible to create new bugs by trying to fix old ones.

yellow circle issue in certain mission was dealt with, some people may still encounter it but it was much worse in the past
terrorbyte access in invite only was fixed
you can literally read through patchnotes and see how much stuff was fixed

the new acid lab is literally the cheapest of all these mc businesses, with highest passive income, you can bet that this business will be nerfed in the future too as it happened to other stuff, which is literally basic mmo 101, all of them doing this, like releasing a new mount every quarter with better stat boost etc.

R* had to fix multiple best money making methods in the past because of exploiters
in 2013 it was all about rooftop rumble, r* had to fix this mission 6 times in a single year
because people managed to finish it in less than 10sec while there was still a replay button present for these fancy contact missions and a fixed reward sum for finishing the mission.

literally same story about pac standard but it was never boring and always forced people to adapt to the situation and find new methods to finish as fast as possible. people using nowadays the emp grenade launcher to hijack one of the police helis to get easy elite

oh no you only get tequila during cayo, which is still a ton of money for this 30min heist and people still exploit to bypass the cooldowns...

right now there is a fancy bug related to the tuner miniheist where you sometimes become the host of the heist while using the quickjoin option, sucks for the real host but creates happy clients

R* won't put everything into the patchnotes because influencer want to create thousand videos about hidden content.
Última edición por cruste; 20 DIC 2022 a las 19:36
Hellsmoke 20 DIC 2022 a las 20:13 
Publicado originalmente por Roland:
Do people not play other games? "Frog being boiled to death" though? That would imply we have no control and must just take it, when we can just play other games until ♥♥♥♥ changes...

If no noticeable backlash takes place, nothing changes. If said backlash does take place, stocks plummet, investors take notice and changes are made. A good example of this is when they tried to nuke Open IV. There is no competition on the market for this type of open world game, that's why they have been getting away with their shady business model for almost a decade. Do you have no interest in this game or the next reaching its full potential? Are you happy doing what you described in the post above? Repeating the same old heist over and over again trying to figure out the new rules or fight your way through the bugs? Do you even know whether or not these are bugs or simply a lazy solution to further nerf player income? There's a reason theyare going out of their way with all these incremental changes with each update instead of straight out nerfing the pay, to avoid backlash. This method is known as "making frog soup".

Publicado originalmente por Roland:
And I'd be curious to see actual data mined proof of these drop rates

Then go mine it yourself, I don't need to see any data, I've had nothing but tequila back to back when I was doing it a couple of months ago. Plenty of posts have been made on this forum concerning this matter, feel free to search them, and there's more..
https://gamingdebates.com/2022/05/07/gta-online-players-shocked-by-repeated-heist-tequila-reward/
One quick search will show you that this is a thing, both on Google and Youtube.

It was probably done in preperation for this..
https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/3974k2848172a2/upcoming-improvements-to-the-gta-online-experience
"And after stealing a high value Primary Target in The Cayo Perico Heist Finale, the higher value Primary Targets will appear less often for the next 72 hours"

This shows that reducing the drop rate of higher paying targets was their overall plan to reduce the payout. I assume the drop rate was nerfed prior to that until they could implement this new system. It still sucks.

Publicado originalmente por Roland:
I genuinely can't remember the last time I got tequila

I don't believe you.

Publicado originalmente por Roland:
You clearly have not been around since 2015. A LOT of bugs have been fixed over the almost 8 years it's been on PC. Definitely not every bug, but many, some might even say "most" have been fixed. There's definitely still some old ones in there, and new ones do pop up, but to say they haven't fixed most of them is an ignorant stance. (and I mean that by it's actual definition, in being a lack of knowledge)

I have been around longer than 2015, I started on day one, October 2013 I believe it was, on the xbox 360. But yet again, more lies from you. Allow me to educate you.
https://gtaforums.com/topic/814464-list-of-ongoing-bugs-needing-to-be-fixed/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/io7iil/list_of_known_bugs_in_gta_online/

There's a lot more but there is also a limit to the amount of research and time I'm willing to put in to convince you when everyone here knows what the reality of the situation is. Use Google, there are loads of results and examples there as well as on this very forum if you're interested. Most bugs have not been fixed, in fact it's quite the opposite. A few bugs have been fixed and tons of them remain.

Publicado originalmente por Roland:
The bugs don't come from Rockstar's greed, they come from player greed. (yea I know, I'm lighting the burner, go ahead and flame me but hear me out first)
Trying to fix glitches and exploits will OFTEN lead to bugs. If people would stop glitching doors and other nonsense and play the way it's meant to be played we would get less patches to Cayo to fix said exploits and thus less bugs introduced to it.
I've personally never understood the need. Even when it's bearer bonds and I'm solo I get out with at least 1.1 mil and typically only shoot 6 guys the entire time. It's genuinely easy as ♥♥♥♥ to play the game as intended (when we don't have bugs like the current one obviously)

Wow, I'm not even going to respond to this, I'll just let it sit here as a display of how disingenuous the fanboy mentality is. You better sit down, you gotta be exhausted after all that mental gymnastics.

As a matter of fact, I'll rest my case there, I don't see much worth responding to in the rest of that post. I'll say this though, you must really enjoy this low effort content and if that's all it takes to satisfy you then have at it, I promise you it will only get worse from here. Wait until xbox exclusivity runs out and they start locking content behind GTA+, you'll be having a blast then I'm sure. That too is just a sample of what GTA VI will look like.

Edit: Link to more bugs added.
Última edición por Hellsmoke; 20 DIC 2022 a las 20:43
mimiko857 20 DIC 2022 a las 20:22 
i heard they nerfed cayo perico like its hard to solo stealth now lol
Hellsmoke 20 DIC 2022 a las 20:22 
Publicado originalmente por cruste:
hellsmoke talking lots of nonsense with a few bits of truth

Yet you couldn't challenge a single point I made in all that rambling you did, lol.

Publicado originalmente por cruste:
R* won't put everything into the patchnotes because influencer want to create thousand videos about hidden content.

Most of the content and changes are leaked before the release of an update lol, the rest comes minutes after it's released. All the new drip feed content has already been seen and tested. You are talking straight nonsense.
mimiko857 20 DIC 2022 a las 20:22 
its in some youtube vid someone made a review
cruste 20 DIC 2022 a las 23:41 
Publicado originalmente por Hellsmoke77:
https://gtaforums.com/topic/814464-list-of-ongoing-bugs-needing-to-be-fixed/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gtaonline/comments/io7iil/list_of_known_bugs_in_gta_online/
got some giggle out of these bugs
some of them are features
like people complain they can't enter their garages during heists anymore
or people complain that their cars don't deform while maybe they should learn that upgrading armor to 100% creates exactly this condition

"If you buy a soda from a vending machine with the LSPD shooting at you, they will stop shooting until the animation where you throw the soda away begins."

it is a feature not a bug ai does this always, good luck trying to survive act3 without it, ai always stops, when the avatar interacts with objects, you can experience the same situation in the new dlc mission with crashed train where ai stops shooting at you while you open the container

lots of this stuff is minor nonsense and some of it was already fixed
other stuff on the list is caused by playing with people who play on toasters or have poor internet, classic desynch issues
Última edición por cruste; 20 DIC 2022 a las 23:56
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