Why GTA 6 looks behind schedule ?

[dprog1995]

We know development of GTA V began from 2008. So we can assume that development of GTA 6 began after the release of GTA V on consoles.(So either 2013 or 2014.)

Based on what I've read, some of the leaked footage are from 5 days ago.

So, the game is in development for like 8-9 years but for some reason it looks like Rockstar hasn't make that much progress after all this time.(The game is still in pre alpha with unfinished/missing features and placeholder assets.)

Is this game in development hell ?

[Caped Crusader]

What you read is incorrect, the footage is much, much older than 5 days. What I've heard is 2 years and perhaps beyond. Also tags embedded in the clips referencing the GPUs in use for the tests top out at the RTX 2000 series and some show GTX 1080.

Edit: Also IMO every game Rockstar makes is "development hell" given all the stuff they try out and the problematic nature of the RAGE engine code base. It's their standard operating procedure at this point.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by Caped Crusader:

What you read is incorrect, the footage is much, much older than 5 days. What I've heard is 2 years and perhaps beyond. Also tags embedded in the clips referencing the GPUs in use for the tests top out at the RTX 2000 series and some show GTX 1080.

I read somewhere that the dates of leaked footages are ranged from 2019-2022.

I don't know it's true but I saw some people on GTAforums and other forums saying it.(And sadly GTAForums is down)

[Caped Crusader]

The leak is definitely legit based on the reliable sources, actual journalists with strong reputations, that have confirmed things, but I would take things with a grain of salt about how what was revealed today relates to the finished game build, the appearance and functionality. I don't work in game design or pretend to have special knowledge, but I've heard more than a few reports over the years that this is just how the sausage gets made.

Prime example I can think of is Bioware, even in its heyday before EA ruined their output, where their games were apparently in very dire shape mere months before launch. But then they'd do heavy crunch and "Bioware magic" would bring it all together to deliver a great title like Mass Effect 2. However, that "magic" (ie. luck) doesn't always materialize, so GTA6 could very well be bad like the GTA Trilogy Remaster disaster.

[dprog1995]

Yeah. I know all games look like this when they are pre alpha.(Just take a look at leaked Duke Nukem forever 2001 build)

But I kinda feel that GTA 6 had/has some problems during it's development hence why after all these years, the game is still in pre alpha.(If some of those leaked footage are from a recent build)

[Caped Crusader]

My guess, and it's just that, is Dan Houser (and others aligned with him) came up with a grand scheme for GTA6, what I saw in an article some months back referenced a vast map covering a big chunk of the American southeast with Vice City, but then the powers that be scuttled that and decided on a new, scaled back concept. I want to say that was from Bloomberg or Forbes or some other Wall Street-oriented news outlet. That change of course could've involved throwing out a bunch of work and even potentially stuff shown in the leak today.

It's certainly not been a smooth project whatsoever. My feeling on GTAV/GTAO is that the Doomsday heist was supposed to be the grand finale of multiplayer (with only smaller DLCs coming after to keep shark cards selling, for instance Arena Wars), but then something like hubris and/or feature creep kept making GTA6 harder and harder to come together, until it reached some kind of breaking point. Take2 might have finally put their foot down on the big money likely wasted by Rockstar doing R&D that was abandoned as opposed to building a proper game and one of a manageable project size.

[Caped Crusader]

Above all else, Take2 is annoyed with how slow Rockstar is to produce games and I suspect a mandate has been given that something *must* be made ready to sell in the next 18-24 months (rough estimate).

[dprog1995]

Yeah. I think GTA Trilogy getting released unfinished might be a result of that.

And for some reason Rockstar had lots of troubles when making some PS3/360 games.

1.Max Payne 3 was supposed to be released in 2009, but it went into a development hell and ended up getting released in 2012.(And it was a financial failure hence why the franchise got retired for a decade until the reveal that remedy is making Max Payne 1&2 remakes.)

2.Red Dead Redemption 1:Was in development hell and in the danger of getting cancelled.

3.Bully 2: It was making good progress, but sadly the developers were switched from that project to Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3. Resulting in that project getting cancelled.

4.Agent: A cancelled project.

I think Rockstar's management has some issues.

[Caped Crusader]

Yeah, I long hoped that RDR1 might come to PC finally around the time of RDR2's original launch, but then more recently, something like 6 months ago, I saw an interview with a former developer that said that RDR1 was horribly built and barely ran properly when they shipped it. When they investigated doing a port, whatever those fundamental issues were, made that impossible or financially unfeasible. Before they firmly ruined their reputation with me, I would've bought RDR1 on PC in a heartbeat, even if it had GTA4 era graphics in 2020.

[Maviba]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

We know development of GTA V began from 2008. So we can assume that development of GTA 6 began after the release of GTA V on consoles.(So either 2013 or 2014.)

Based on what I've read, some of the leaked footage are from 5 days ago.

So, the game is in development for like 8-9 years but for some reason it looks like Rockstar hasn't make that much progress after all this time.(The game is still in pre alpha with unfinished/missing features and placeholder assets.)

Is this game in development hell ?

No, you are just wrong in your assumtion

They pretty much started GTA 6 development after RDR2.
Pre production might have already started earlier.
The leaked footage shows some assets based on RDR2 (e.g. menu, some animations, restriction of weapons).
So it's probably the RDR2 engine used for GTA6.

The leaked videos show content of different development states during the last 3 years.

And what do you think how long development of a game that complex takes nowadays?
So 8-10 years is normal.

[Argent]

lol the leaks are from 2019 to 2021. and Rockstar only started working on GTA 6 after Red Dead Redemption 2's release, which would be late 2018.

GTA 6 will be launched around 2025 or 2026, depending on its scale and scope.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by DEverchosen:

lol the leaks are from 2019 to 2021. and Rockstar only started working on GTA 6 after Red Dead Redemption 2's release, which would be late 2018.

GTA 6 will be launched around 2025 or 2026, depending on its scale and scope.

For a cross platform game(That is going to be on PS4) it's pretty behind schedule imo.
Since at 2025-2026 publishers will be making games for PS5/Xbox series and not waste their time on PS4/Xbox 1.

[Argent]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by DEverchosen:

lol the leaks are from 2019 to 2021. and Rockstar only started working on GTA 6 after Red Dead Redemption 2's release, which would be late 2018.

GTA 6 will be launched around 2025 or 2026, depending on its scale and scope.

For a cross platform game(That is going to be on PS4) it's pretty behind schedule imo.
Since at 2025-2026 publishers will be making games for PS5/Xbox series and not waste their time on PS4/Xbox 1.

lol doubt they will release GTA VI to previous gen consoles, since they already abandoning them for current gen, just look at GTA V for PS5 and Series X.

The leaks even prove that the game wont run on last gen, I mean 3080 cant even handle it, so itll run on newer gen consoles and mid to high-end gaming pcs and laptops to run 60 fps in 1080p or 4k

time for an upgrade lmao, they wont likely release it on last gen

[Zero McDol]

If GTA 6 wasn't behind schedule before, it really is now.

[Heat, the Genius]

From trustworthy sources, it's suppossed to be footage from 2019-2021.

Sources: Trust me, bro (or the youtube comments).