The Kuruma Issue

[War Crime Enjoyer]

Wait! Wait! Calm!

I myself own an armoured Kuruma. I also own a variety of powerful, military vehicle such as the Insurgent (both varietes) and the Savage attack chopper. Okay, ♥♥♥♥ me - I get that.

I am not proposing the removal or the continued stay of the Armoured Kuruma in its present state. Any opinions that I put forward in this thread are just that - opinions. With that little disclaimer out of the way, let's begin.

The Karin Kuruma (1) is unlocked through the Fleeca Job heist and costs around 625,000 GTA Dollars I believe. The figure is a rough estimate, so please don't hold me to this. The cost places it at the lower end of the High-Tier super cars and the mid-upper range of Luxury Motorsport cars. It is a sports class car with decent handling, acceleration, and top speed.
What seperates the Kuruma however is its armoured variant. The armoured variant enjoys an increased resistance to general wear and tear and bullets. However, where it shines is its reduced window size to prevent oncoming bullets from killing the driver. As a result this vehicle is regularly used in both PVP and PVE due to the difficulty of hitting the driver, coupled with the relative ease of hitting your opponent when inside the Kuruma.

Naturally, this does come with trade offs. The vehicle suffers from reduced firing angles which seem to worsen with additional passengers - in addition to this the offensive capabilities are further crippled as thrown items are unusable due to the small window slots. This limits the destructive capability of the Kuruma and makes the Kuruma vulnerable to those willing to use explosives against it.

In theory, this system is perfect. It trades offensive capability for defence capability and leaves an Achilies heel for opponents to exploit. Issues begin to arise however when we take a look at the systems that surround not only the Kuruma but player owned vehicles as a whole.

During PVE missions and other freeroam events the AI seldom (if ever) utilises explosives - the achilies heel of the Kuruma, meaning that against our AI counterparts they're left with little hope to kill the player.

PVP is where most of the controversy arises however. The speed and acceleration of the Kuruma makes a hard target for many to begin with - couple this with a decreased firing window the only solution for most players seems to be the use of explosives. Understandly, the Kuruma cannot retaliate with explosives which would suggest that the vehicle is different, albeit balanced. This would be true if it were not for the 'Insurance' and 'Bad Sport' systems which plague the game. The insurance system is a money sink and an effective one at that. Up to about 17,000 can be taken from ones account for the destruction of another players vehicle, coupled with the cost of the explosives invovled in destroying said vehicle. The cost of the Kuruma to the aggressor is just short of 7000, plus expect another 7000 after a brief mechanic call in. To effectively put down a player in Kuruma harassing you, expect around 14000 upfront followed up by approximately 7000 every five minutes.

I've long since believed that the Kuruma is in theory a balanced vehicle, but made unbalanced by a poorly designed insurance system.

On the other hard the Kuruma's big, military grade brother the Insurgent should be a greater threat. Afterall, its marked on the map as a dangerous vehicle. It can take a huge amount of damage, a fully upgraded Insurgent can force its way through road blocks almost half a dozen cars thick in a matter of seconds, and an vehicle unfortunate enough to be on the ramming side of this thing will pay the price. Should anyone drop enough explosives on this monstrosity of a vehicle to blow it apart, they're faced with insurance costs of about 17000 plus the somewhat tremendous cost of the explosives involved. If we say that 5 stickybombs are used, then if memory serves that's approximately another 3000 assuming all hit the vehicle. In total, you're looking at about 20000 to blow this vehicle apart... all to see it back again in a minute or so.

So what makes this beast of a vehicle any better?

The strength of the Insurgent is the inverse of a Kuruma. Where the Kuruma was designed to keep one safe from bullets but render one weak to explosives, the Insurgent was designed to keep one safe from explosives but weak to bullets. As such, getting shot in the Insurgent isn't really a rare occurence, if anything, the somewhat large side windows and obnoxiously large front windscreen are like barn doors for any decent (or even poor) marksman looking to remove an insurgent from the map.
How much does it cost to exploit the Insurgent's weakness? A single, well placed sniper round. No more than 10 dollars, really.

So how do we fix this insurance protected Kuruma issue? Simple, drop the insurance costs dramatically, or weaken the Kuruma dramatically. The Kuruma needs substantially lower insurance costs and removal of the bad sport warning for players blowing it apart. Similarly, if we want to keep this money sink, the Kuruma does need nerfing. Perhaps no tinted windows to allow people to have a better clue of what exactly they're shooting at, or slightly larger window slots, or just greatly decreased firing angles for the driver.

Who knows, I'm not a developer, I'm just a concerned player.

[mynameis24characterslong]

Too long not reading that lol

[War Crime Enjoyer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh The One The Only Hewitt:

Too long not reading that lol

Fair enough, but thanks for the bump.

[KookiePoo]

Ditto, write a vlog on YT or start a blog, hell write a book.

Diposting pertama kali oleh The One The Only Hewitt:

Too long not reading that lol

[War Crime Enjoyer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh KookiePoo:

Ditto, write a vlog on YT or start a blog, hell write a book.

Diposting pertama kali oleh The One The Only Hewitt:

Too long not reading that lol

Good suggestion, although other steam forums do seem capable of handling larger threads than this. Perhaps the average attention span is lower, maybe people can't wait to get back to GTA V ;)

[Rambo First Blunt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blast:

Diposting pertama kali oleh The One The Only Hewitt:

Too long not reading that lol

Fair enough, but thanks for the bump.

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

[Lobstersaurus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rambo First Blunt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blast:

Fair enough, but thanks for the bump.

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

I have too much pent up rage agaisn't armored Kuramas to let you do that, I'm going to throw sticky bombs on your car and blow you the ♥♥♥♥ up.

I realize you don't shoot at people, but I'm not going to wait for an amored kurama player to shoot at me to figure out if they are friendly or not....



Armored Kuramas are mainly used to troll lowbies, who don't have access to sticky bombs.

[Braincleaner]

Full agree! someone comes at you full speed, you dodge, throw a hail mary sticky, it lands..boom...you get charged for it..the attacking player just recalls the car after not having to pay for it, repeat.... somehow wrong.

[War Crime Enjoyer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rambo First Blunt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blast:

Fair enough, but thanks for the bump.

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

I see what you mean regarding the insurance costs. At the same time though I suppose you can say if you don't want to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with then you simply put your hands up and say "passive mode it is." Although you could argue the inverse if you don't want to be killed by the Kuruma, I suppose.

[KookiePoo]

Well said.

Diposting pertama kali oleh God Lobster:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rambo First Blunt:

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

I have too much pent up rage agaisn't armored Kuramas to let you do that, I'm going to throw sticky bombs on your car and blow you the ♥♥♥♥ up.

I realize you don't shoot at people, but I'm not going to wait for an amored kurama player to shoot at me to figure out if they are friendly or not....



Armored Kuramas are mainly used to troll lowbies, who don't have access to sticky bombs.

[Lobstersaurus]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Blast:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rambo First Blunt:

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

I see what you mean regarding the insurance costs. At the same time though I suppose you can say if you don't want to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with then you simply put your hands up and say "passive mode it is." Although you could argue the inverse if you don't want to be killed by the Kuruma, I suppose.

I've been killed in passive mode by an armored kurama before, the guy jumped out of the vehicle and I got ran over by it because nobody was driving it.

I've also had players land helicopters on me after jumping with a parachute, though I give the player props for doing this.. It isn't as easy as jumping out of a moving car, and hitting the passive player.

It's also quite amusing to see a chopper land on you explode and kill you from out of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nowhere...

[General Butt Nekked]

There needs to be a better system in place where known aggressors should have to pay their own bills. While eight times out of ten I'm able to get a shot through one of those stupid slat windows, it sure would be great to just RPG it. :)

[KookiePoo]

in MP all should be available this tier class system is so divisive and not conducive for long term. Users going down ppl will get dodgy versions and play offline with mods so MP dies and so does any credibility R* has. Only console kids will play.

[Rambo First Blunt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh God Lobster:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Rambo First Blunt:

I read it. TBH i own one, and don't drive it anymore after the wrap associated with it. If i could get my money back i would choose that option, but now it just stays in my garage. Reducing the Insurance cost, is a bad idea. I would love to be able to drive my car around without being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with for once.

I have too much pent up rage agaisn't armored Kuramas to let you do that, I'm going to throw sticky bombs on your car and blow you the ♥♥♥♥ up.

I realize you don't shoot at people, but I'm not going to wait for an amored kurama player to shoot at me to figure out if they are friendly or not....



Armored Kuramas are mainly used to troll lowbies, who don't have access to sticky bombs.

Well then , that is fine. That just encourages me to get my Tank, or other OP instrument of death. Then i just kill whoever enters my way, till i get my fill or everyone goes passive. I'm sure the lowbies will enjoy being killed over and over again, because of your actions. You aint helping anyone acting like a jerk, and trust me, i can be the bigger Jerk.

[Ho☋ms]

i would go as far as to say any vehicles with military potential should have no insurance. You go in to fight with one its your own fault that its destroyed.

[Rambo First Blunt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Deutschland Erwache:

565 000GTA$ actually

That is the base model, only newbs run around in cars without modiciations. I think when mine was all said and done, it cost almost a million or more.