Why no anti-cheat?

[Dsuable]

Why no anti-cheat?

[soloplayer803]

Why ask 8 years later

[BORG]

There is anti-cheat, just they can't keep up with the constant modding menus constantly changing to evade anti-cheat detection. I see people getting banned all the time so they must be kind of working. The players need to be proactive though too. If you spot a cheater, report them. Problem is most don't and can't be bothered. So, this is why we are where we are with GTA Online today.

[O'Connell]

Its impossible to play this game with other people. I miss the days when I had a group of people from all around the US and into Europe and we'd laugh and play the game without having to do game breaking BS.

[BORG]

Originally posted by Andrew:

Its impossible to play this game with other people. I miss the days when I had a group of people from all around the US and into Europe and we'd laugh and play the game without having to do game breaking BS.

it's still possible, but it's definitely not too hard to find chill lobbies. I land in some really fun sessions still, but I understand your grief with the situation. It can be frustrating especially when you just want to play with other people who just want to play the game and meet other players, show off their rides, do car meets, etc.

What I find works best is to session hop and look for sessions where everybody is doing their own thing. Generally I don't take the online sessions very seriously anymore and consider it a fun place to horse around and meet people, but that's mostly due to modders and griefers. I've met some great people doing this.

Also, having a large crew that you can invite to invite only sessions is a big help and it still allows you to interact with people and as you bring more people into your crew, you can eventually end up with a full session of people you know aren't a bunch of asses and have a great time.

The situation sucks, but to make the best of it, we must adapt.

[RickTheMelon]

I used to wonder the same but then I realised from all online games that anti-cheat just gets in the way of people playing the game. They don't actually stop cheating.
Anti-cheat brings its own host of issues. Since the anti-cheat didn't work anyway they removed it.

[BORG]

Originally posted by RickTheMelon:

I used to wonder the same but then I realised from all online games that anti-cheat just gets in the way of people playing the game. They don't actually stop cheating.
Anti-cheat brings its own host of issues. Since the anti-cheat didn't work anyway they removed it.

They removed part of it. Not all, but they also replaced some of it not too long ago. They try to keep up, but it's pretty hard given the nature of how the game's networking and all work. The nature of how we connect when playing GTA Online is a huge flaw of the game, but not much can be done now. It's old, dated and they're not going to rewrite all the net code in an attempt to fix the problem for it to only be bypassed yet again by the cheaters. It's a never ending game of cat and mouse.

[RickTheMelon]

Originally posted by BORG:

They removed part of it. Not all

Ah right-oh I didn't know that. I know what you mean about cat and mouse. Software is hard and hackers are of course relentless.

I've had problems with a lot of anti-cheat enabled games lately (Linux gamer here) despite there being cheaters present in most anti-cheat games anyway. I have a bit of a dislike for anti-cheat right now since it feels pretty feutile against tinkerers. I've come to accept cheaters are there and that's it. Sad but true.

PVP for me is only really there for when I want to join a MP mini game like Sumo or Deathmatch. The rest of the game these days I spend in closed lobby with friends / solo.

Thank goodness they enabled closed friends lobbies and made most things available to be completed solo/closed sessions.

[BORG]

Originally posted by RickTheMelon:

Originally posted by BORG:

They removed part of it. Not all

Ah right-oh I didn't know that. I know what you mean about cat and mouse. Software is hard and hackers are of course relentless.

I've had problems with a lot of anti-cheat enabled games lately (Linux gamer here) despite there being cheaters present in most anti-cheat games anyway. I have a bit of a dislike for anti-cheat right now since it feels pretty feutile against tinkerers. I've come to accept cheaters are there and that's it. Sad but true.

PVP for me is only really there for when I want to join a MP mini game like Sumo or Deathmatch. The rest of the game these days I spend in closed lobby with friends / solo.

Thank goodness they enabled closed friends lobbies and made most things available to be completed solo/closed sessions.

Yeah, it's sad, but absolutely true. We just have to try make the best of it. I mostly play co-op PvP team based kind of games cause of the rampant cheating in video gaming today. It's simply a more pleasant experience for me personally. Great to see another Linux gamer! Linux gaming sure is on the rise and it's wonderful to see!

As for the anti-cheats, I agree. It can really be a huge PITA especially when a dev / publisher doesn't make the anti-cheat compliant with Linux. It's an unfriendly approach to game distribution and IMO, it very much needs to change. But, at the end of the day, money talks.

As for the closed sessions and invite only, I strongly agree. That should have been done years ago. It took a bit too long, but at least it finally was implemented.

[d3adf1sh]

anti-cheat RUINS PERFORMANCE.

why not just do your important stuff on a private session and if you want to do deathmatch or something, put all your money in the bank and go into a loaded server? you can still trigger multiplayer missions on a private server using your phone

[pipe.surgeon]

Originally posted by Dsuable:

Why no anti-cheat?

Because this game belongs in /r/arseholedesign

[Fives5555]

Originally posted by d3adf1sh:

anti-cheat RUINS PERFORMANCE.

why not just do your important stuff on a private session and if you want to do deathmatch or something, put all your money in the bank and go into a loaded server? you can still trigger multiplayer missions on a private server using your phone

Because that defeats the purpose of multiplayer. Multiplayer is meant to have more than one player, hence the name multiplayer. Private lobbies are not the solution here people. So many games are going to single-player because oh, nobody wants to play multiplayer! No, it's because they are to lazy to design a game. Getting back on track, Even though I am against anti-cheats controlling your pc, I play war-thunder. Guess how many cheaters I have come across? ZERO!

[[-iD-]]

anti-cheat doesnt' work anyway and only bans the less skilled rather than those who cheat on a daily basis.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by Fives5555:

Originally posted by d3adf1sh:

anti-cheat RUINS PERFORMANCE.

why not just do your important stuff on a private session and if you want to do deathmatch or something, put all your money in the bank and go into a loaded server? you can still trigger multiplayer missions on a private server using your phone

Because that defeats the purpose of multiplayer. Multiplayer is meant to have more than one player, hence the name multiplayer. Private lobbies are not the solution here people. So many games are going to single-player because oh, nobody wants to play multiplayer! No, it's because they are to lazy to design a game. Getting back on track, Even though I am against anti-cheats controlling your pc, I play war-thunder. Guess how many cheaters I have come across? ZERO!

just because you dont see them doesn't mean they dont exist. these days people use AI to cheat for them in mechanical devices attached to a mouse to get around hard anti-cheat.

[BORG]

Originally posted by -iD-:

anti-cheat doesnt' work anyway and only bans the less skilled rather than those who cheat on a daily basis.

Something is better than nothing though. It's better to try than to not try at all.

[RickTheMelon]

Originally posted by Fives5555:

Because that defeats the purpose of multiplayer. Multiplayer is meant to have more than one player, hence the name multiplayer. Private lobbies are not the solution here people. So many games are going to single-player because oh, nobody wants to play multiplayer! No, it's because they are to lazy to design a game. Getting back on track, Even though I am against anti-cheats controlling your pc, I play war-thunder. Guess how many cheaters I have come across? ZERO!

I agree that multiplayer is important. Heck MP in GTAO is awesome with friends. With randoms though, well we all know how brutal that can be.
They need to find ways of making multiplayer worth teaming up together more. Like a Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic etc (and not just PvE). Sea of Thieves combines teamwork and PvP quite nicely. Something that promotes non-toxic community gaming.
Devs just need to get better at MP instead of throwing everyone in a lobby with a bunch of lethal weapons / weaponised vehicles then others with slow Post-OP vans with glass jaws.