Low performance on modern hardware

[DanielMeurer]

Does this game has a know issue of low performance on more modern hardware? Genarelly, I can get past 80fps easily, at least, in most scenes. But there are some instances where I get below 60 fps for no reason, like the screenshot bellow. CPU utilization around 50%, GPU below 70%.

The game is running at 1440p 75Hz at ultra settings. Specs below
i7 9700f
RTX 3070
2x8 GB @ 2666Hz

Sure, it's not the best out there at this point, But you think it would be enough to play a 2014 game without any issues.

https://i.postimg.cc/1s4rCdKc/Captura-de-Tela-4.png

[Hellsmoke]

It's your ram, it's much too low for a pc like that. I'd recommend 2x16 gb. If you're running dual channel that gives you a total of 8 gb, that isn't enough. You can for the time being disable dual channel and run it at 16 gb but that's not optimal. Ideally you'll want 2x16 running dual channel giving you 16 gb. That's the standard these days.

[macatak]

put grass quality at normal or high, very taxing otherwise

[Caped Crusader]

Along with macatak's suggestion of keeping grass at normal or high at most, I'd also say have MSAA either off or at 2X max. The visual improvement is incredibly minor and on my systems over the years roughly cuts the frame rate in half, just with it enabled.

[DanielMeurer]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

It's your ram, it's much too low for a pc like that. I'd recommend 2x16 gb. If you're running dual channel that gives you a total of 8 gb, that isn't enough. You can for the time being disable dual channel and run it at 16 gb but that's not optimal. Ideally you'll want 2x16 running dual channel giving you 16 gb. That's the standard these days.

this doesn't make much sense. 16 GB is enough for modern gaming in 1440p, let alone a game that is 8 years old. I don't need 32 GB to play GTA V

[DanielMeurer]

Originally posted by Caped Crusader:

Along with macatak's suggestion of keeping grass at normal or high at most, I'd also say have MSAA either off or at 2X max. The visual improvement is incredibly minor and on my systems over the years roughly cuts the frame rate in half, just with it enabled.

I'll try to lower those settings, but my 3070 is being under utilized. MSAA already at 2x

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

this doesn't make much sense. 16 GB is enough for modern gaming in 1440p, let alone a game that is 8 years old. I don't need 32 GB to play GTA V

Makes a lot of sense. First of all it depends on the game how much RAM you need. Secondly you want to be running your ram dual channel as it is much faster meaning you need twice the amount of ram. 8gb is not enough these days and that goes for GTA as well. What happens when you run out of RAM?

Your computer will start to work less efficiently. That's because when your computer runs out of memory it will start to use the hard drive space for "virtual memory" to compensate. This causes a massive slow down that will throttle your system.

In dual-channel mode, two RAM sticks communicate simultaneously on separate channels to operate your computer and run programs significantly faster. Therefore, running in dual-channel memory will provide a significant performance boost to your PC, regardless of the actual size of your RAM

I know you don't want to hear it because it costs money but I know what I'm talking about. Do some research if you don't believe me, it will make sense then. You should be running at 2x16 gb at least, running dual channel that is 16 gb ram total.

[bane420]

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

It's your ram, it's much too low for a pc like that. I'd recommend 2x16 gb. If you're running dual channel that gives you a total of 8 gb, that isn't enough. You can for the time being disable dual channel and run it at 16 gb but that's not optimal. Ideally you'll want 2x16 running dual channel giving you 16 gb. That's the standard these days.

this doesn't make much sense. 16 GB is enough for modern gaming in 1440p, let alone a game that is 8 years old. I don't need 32 GB to play GTA V

Ya you can pull up your performance stats while playing and see it's the GPU and Vram getting maxed while CPU and ram are usually nowhere near 70 percent.

[bane420]

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

It's your ram, it's much too low for a pc like that. I'd recommend 2x16 gb. If you're running dual channel that gives you a total of 8 gb, that isn't enough. You can for the time being disable dual channel and run it at 16 gb but that's not optimal. Ideally you'll want 2x16 running dual channel giving you 16 gb. That's the standard these days.

this doesn't make much sense. 16 GB is enough for modern gaming in 1440p, let alone a game that is 8 years old. I don't need 32 GB to play GTA V

Also gotta remember you're running this game straight native. All those other games you're comparing performance to most likely ran DLSS on your card.

[Hellsmoke]

There's absolutely no reason you should be running 8 gb of ram with an i7 and a 3070 lol, that just doesn't make any sense. You don't have 16 gb unless you are running single channel. I bet it's a pre-built "gaming" PC, that's how they get you. You are always better off building your own and you are experiencing the drawbacks of that now.

[bane420]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

There's absolutely no reason you should be running 8 gb of ram with an i7 and a 3070 lol, that just doesn't make any sense. You don't have 16 gb unless you are running single channel. I bet it's a pre-built "gaming" PC, that's how they get you. You are always better off building your own and you are experiencing the drawbacks of that now.

For sure possible if his set up is getting him 8 instead of 16. Would be super easy to just open up the performance stats and check the percentages while playing though. Maybe he can get those and post them here.

[DanielMeurer]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

this doesn't make much sense. 16 GB is enough for modern gaming in 1440p, let alone a game that is 8 years old. I don't need 32 GB to play GTA V

Makes a lot of sense. First of all it depends on the game how much RAM you need. Secondly you want to be running your ram dual channel as it is much faster meaning you need twice the amount of ram. 8gb is not enough these days and that goes for GTA as well. What happens when you run out of RAM?

Your computer will start to work less efficiently. That's because when your computer runs out of memory it will start to use the hard drive space for "virtual memory" to compensate. This causes a massive slow down that will throttle your system.

In dual-channel mode, two RAM sticks communicate simultaneously on separate channels to operate your computer and run programs significantly faster. Therefore, running in dual-channel memory will provide a significant performance boost to your PC, regardless of the actual size of your RAM

I know you don't want to hear it because it costs money but I know what I'm talking about. Do some research if you don't believe me, it will make sense then. You should be running at 2x16 gb at least, running dual channel that is 16 gb ram total.

guys guys guys guys, 2x8 RAM I wrote = 16 GB at dual channcel. I'm already running on dual channel. 16 GB total.

The print screen I posted shows my game running on that specific scene I mention, where the GPU utilization is below 70% and CPU around 45~%. While the game runs below 60 fps

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by bane420:

For sure possible if his set up is getting him 8 instead of 16. Would be super easy to just open up the performance stats and check the percentages while playing though. Maybe he can get those and post them here.

Yeah and if it isn't the RAM that's stopping him, it's probably the case. One of those with the glass plate covering the fans lol.

[bane420]

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Makes a lot of sense. First of all it depends on the game how much RAM you need. Secondly you want to be running your ram dual channel as it is much faster meaning you need twice the amount of ram. 8gb is not enough these days and that goes for GTA as well. What happens when you run out of RAM?

Your computer will start to work less efficiently. That's because when your computer runs out of memory it will start to use the hard drive space for "virtual memory" to compensate. This causes a massive slow down that will throttle your system.

In dual-channel mode, two RAM sticks communicate simultaneously on separate channels to operate your computer and run programs significantly faster. Therefore, running in dual-channel memory will provide a significant performance boost to your PC, regardless of the actual size of your RAM

I know you don't want to hear it because it costs money but I know what I'm talking about. Do some research if you don't believe me, it will make sense then. You should be running at 2x16 gb at least, running dual channel that is 16 gb ram total.

guys guys guys guys, 2x8 RAM I wrote = 16 GB at dual channcel. I'm already running on dual channel. 16 GB total.

The print screen I posted shows my game running on that specific scene I mention, where the GPU utilization is below 70% and CPU around 45~%. While the game runs below 60 fps

O I see it. Ya the way that screenshot looks does make it look like a ram issue.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

guys guys guys guys, 2x8 RAM I wrote = 16 GB at dual channcel. I'm already running on dual channel. 16 GB total.

The print screen I posted shows my game running on that specific scene I mention, where the GPU utilization is below 70% and CPU around 45~%. While the game runs below 60 fps

2x8 running dual channel is 8 gb.

2x16....is 16 gb total. You need double the ram.

Looking at the screenshot, you aren't running dual channel. And if you are running them at 2666Hz, you don't have XMP enabled either. The problem is your RAM.

[DanielMeurer]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Originally posted by DanielMeurer:

guys guys guys guys, 2x8 RAM I wrote = 16 GB at dual channcel. I'm already running on dual channel. 16 GB total.

The print screen I posted shows my game running on that specific scene I mention, where the GPU utilization is below 70% and CPU around 45~%. While the game runs below 60 fps

2x8 running dual channel is 8 gb.

2x16....is 16 gb total. You need double the ram.

I'm sorry man, but that not how dual channel works. DC doubles the speed, but it has no effect on memory capacity. I'm running 16 GB on my rig, and I have plenty of recent games using 12 GB or so, monitoring on MSI afterburner.

Anyway, this is a old game, 16GB of RAM shouldn't be a problem