The New Tuner Cars Are Stupid

[Kristoforous]

You need a Karin Calico GTF or Jester RR to win races.
The rest of the cars handle a bit worse and are underpowered compared to the other 2 mentioned.

I have a ZR350 with EMS Max, and Turbo Tuning. I didnt upgrade the transmission because I like hearing the turbo sound between every shift.

Anyway, I use that car in races, and I am usually 3rd or 2nd place (mainly because of the shortcuts I use efficiently) despite using the ZR350. However in some situations I am outclassed and in straights it is impossible to win.

Whenever I am against a player that drives a Calico or Jester RR, they are significantly faster??? The Euros, ZR350, Remus, RT3000, are like babies compared! You either need luck, have to drive very skillfully around corners to win, or drive dirty.

The Calico and Jester RR are basically racer-tryhard vehicles, you're practically forced to use them if you want to win. The other cars are slower, why are these 2 specifically so damn fast? Either BUFF THE OTHER CARS, or NERF those 2, SPECIFICALLY THE CALICO.

I like the RX7 in real life, so thats why I own it in GTA. Why do I have to use some old Toyota to win, which is apparently faster than an RX7??? or better yet, a fkin 2020 SUPRA?

[しまくん]

to be honest that i like the thing that they are not perfectly balanced, feels like a street race, and yeah some cars just better irl then the others and they might cost you more, who would have thoght!

[Mewsha]

Honestly if the person in the Calico knows how to drive, even the Jester RR pales in comparison. Most people don't take advantage of the Calico's handling, or know how to use it, so the Jester RR has a bit of a chance.

The Calico is based on a Toyota Celica, which was one of the fastest and most famous rally cars of the early 90s, but we have the later 1994 model. I'm guessing Rockstar was being cute by making the Calico significantly better because with that same model, Toyota got busted for using an ingenious cheat to gain an edge on the competition.

That bit of motorsports history is pretty obscure, and again we're doing street races, but I digress.

It's not even really that the Calico is fast. The Jester RR seems to be faster in a straight line, but these races favor sharp turns, and every other car has terrible handling while the Calico is AWD.

The race tracks they chose are also the issue for the other vehicles.

It's all irrelevant anyways because if Rockstar stays consistent, one of these drip feed vehicles will be better than the Calico so that they get us to spend even more money. It might just be next week's Pfister Comet S2 (Porsche 992). Get ready to spend another 2 mill if you want to have the best car, even Calico owners should know this.

[kripcision]

i was quite surprised how much i was getting out raced when driving the zr350 with every upgrade. im not the greatest racer but to get it should be a closer race than what ends up happening. in the end i like the car doing the car robberies so whatever maybe ill grab the better one later.

[Maj. Crimes]

Just wait till the rest of the cars are released, calico (sadly) wont reign supreme for long.

[Jon the VGNerd]

The fact that you're not allowed to race with the cars you actually own besides Tuners is just appalling.

[Torque]

Yea i tried all the races and they are boring i just afk in car meet test track for rep if i want

[Steve]

Reaching Top 3 with ZR350 alone is quite impressive. You only need reach Top 3 to get most of Rep gain. There's no really need to aim for 1st position all time, because it'll exhausts you.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

Honestly if the person in the Calico knows how to drive, even the Jester RR pales in comparison. Most people don't take advantage of the Calico's handling, or know how to use it, so the Jester RR has a bit of a chance.

Also this. Even alienated racers able to win the race easily without Jester / Calico. There are still plenty of inexperienced players who drive Jester / Calico can be easily overtake with Euros as long as the race isn't too chaotic with crashfest.

[Mewsha]

Originally posted by Theresa "Midget" Apocalypse:

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

Honestly if the person in the Calico knows how to drive, even the Jester RR pales in comparison. Most people don't take advantage of the Calico's handling, or know how to use it, so the Jester RR has a bit of a chance.

Also this. Even alienated racers able to win the race easily without Jester / Calico. There are still plenty of inexperienced players who drive Jester / Calico can be easily overtake with Euros as long as the race isn't too chaotic with crashfest.

Very true.

We're still in that phase where it's relatively unknown why the Calico is the best vehicle from the initial lineup.

So what ends up happening is the first turn hits and there's a Calico pileup because people don't really know when to break and accelerate around corners when going as fast as the Calico does. I noticed that, similar to the Itali GTO, when you hit a bump, you go even faster, sometimes faster than you anticipate, and these street races tend to have a lot of those.

That contributes to a lot of people thinking that the Calico is just uncontrollable. It's that kind of information that the game doesn't tell you.

Another issue that I'm seeing with this update is that people are actually taking their stanced versions into races. I don't know if they're aware that your tire options from freemode carry over into the races, and racing any stanced vehicle is going to feel miserable because the moment you hit any kind of turn you'll spin out like crazy.

[HachiRiko]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Why do I have to use some old Toyota to win, which is apparently faster than an RX7??? or better yet, a ♥♥♥♥ 2020 SUPRA?

put some respect on the GTFour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZKf8e_TIA

they were also banned from WRC for creative engineering of bypassing the restrictor plate.

[s-d]

Performance aside, I think they resemble real cars too much.

[MetalDrummer]

Originally posted by Jon the VGNerd:

The fact that you're not allowed to race with the cars you actually own besides Tuners is just appalling.

This. This is the real problem . Why do I have all these cars when I can't use them ...At a race meet? LMAO fail. R* dropped the ball here in a big way.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by S-D:

Performance aside, I think they resemble real cars too much.

What??? lol That's a good thing, I'd rather they use real cars.

[s-d]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Originally posted by S-D:

Performance aside, I think they resemble real cars too much.

What??? lol That's a good thing, I'd rather they use real cars.

This is not a good thing at all, GTA cars always had a special charm to them, and were often creative mashups of the real stuff, newer cars are just copies of real stuff with weird proportions or missing elements.

Genuinely sad how many people miss this aspect of the series and the humor behind it, and in the end of the day I can't blame the vehicle designers for not trying anymore, considering it's this easy to please the JDM obsessed children.

They also won't ever use real cars, because fundamental aspects of GTA gameplay (and artstyle) prevent it; damage, explosions, shooting, or the fact that you are free to steal any car, why do you think AAA games with licensed cars often lack any (or have a painfully simple) damage model?

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by S-D:

This is not a good thing at all, GTA cars always had a special charm to them, and were often creative mashups of the real stuff, newer cars are just copies of real stuff with weird proportions or missing elements.

Yeah which is why they should use real cars, because their creative mashups look weird.

Originally posted by S-D:

Genuinely sad how many people miss this aspect of the series and the humor behind it, and in the end of the day I can't blame the vehicle designers for not trying anymore, considering it's this easy to please the JDM obsessed children.

Honestly I don't even know what JDM is and I'm not a child. They never put much effort into these cars to begin with so I don't know what you mean by "anymore", can you point me to a car that they put actual effort into?

Originally posted by S-D:

They also won't ever use real cars, because fundamental aspects of GTA gameplay (and artstyle) prevent it;

Lies. There are real car mods and they work just fine. It's not hard to create a damage model for those. I disagree with your assessment of the situation as do most people, people want real cars and if they want those of us with a brain to open our wallets for them, they are going to have to provide a higher quality product.

Get rid of the advanced handling flags for starters, literally nobody likes them and they don't do what they were designed to do, stop curb boosting. I'd be happy if they started there because 9 out of 10 cars drive like crap.

Edit: This is what GTA could look like, if you are telling me that what we have is better...lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_AjxT6PJAU