Avenger VS Moc - which is better? Value for Time / Money

[Retrolicious]

I started Gunrunning DLC recently and i'm abit dissapointed by the Moc and the money and time sink.
When you buy the Moc for 600k - 1,2M $$ You only get the cap + the hauler. Inside you can only do the unlock missions to lower the "trave prices" for those armored vehicles.
The MoC only has 3 cabin slots. As i understand it every item costs extra crazy money and you can't have everything. You seem to have to choose between MK2 weaponry or Weapon Car bay ( the tank mod shop uses 2 slots ). so basically it's impossible to have a slot for your private car right? And Slot #1 can only have the battle turrets or useless cloth shop right?

2 Possible setups:

Slot#1: Cloth / Turret -> costs extra money
Slot#2 + #3: Tank mod shop -> extra money sink

Slot#1: Cloth / Turret -> costs extra money
Slot#2: MK2 weapon mod shop -> extra money sink
Slot#2: Personal vehicle storage -> extra money sink

Turret upgrades also need research at bunker? -> extra money and time sink

MOC upgrade costs:
Trailor:
Default price: 1,2M $$ ( Phantom Cab + Trailor )
Command center: 320k $
Tank + weapon mk2 shop: 955k $
OR
Weapon mk2 shop: 245k $
Personal vehicle bay: 195K $
+
Front&Back guns: 210k $
Paintjob: 30k $
Liberty Design: 100k $

Cab:
Paintjob: 30k $
Bulletproof tires: 25$
Armor: 37,5k $
Brakes: 35k $
Engine: 40k $
EMS: 33,5k $
Turbo: 50k $

Total: 3.065.000 $$

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So my question is how does this compare to the Avenger?

Avenger costs about 3,3M $$ <----- All features unlocked and included in this price?
But what do you get in this "starter" package? Please veterans can you list all the hidden money and time sinks for avenger? Do you need to do research to be able to upgrade the avenger? Do the Avenger canons work right away or do you also need to buy "slot#1 slot#2 and slot#3" ?
Is it possible to do special missions from Avenger? Is there storage for personal vehicles and tank bay mod shops?

Avenger upgrade costs:
Default price: 3,45M $
Paintjob: 135k $
Gun Turret: 200k $
Vehicle Workshop: 755k $
Weapon Workshop: 245k $
Armor 100%: 50k $
Cluster bombs: 120k $
EMS upgrade: 33,5k $
Race Handling: 35k $
Livery: 30k $
Paintjob: 30k $
Front, Top Rear Turrets 240k $
Facility mod shop: ???

Total: 5.323.500 $$ + mod shop



PS: Is it possible to sell the Moc again and buy Avenger instead? What does community think is better value for money and time? Moc or Avenger? Why?

[cruste]

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If you have to choose, MOC offers more.

The acces to the missions outweights the awesome cool guns on the Avenger. (even when they are really really awesome;)

MOC
Slot 1. Cloth does nothing but changing clothes / missions. Command centre gives acces to missions and the guns.
You can't go passive with a command centre.
The extra guns are research items at your Bunker.
You have to upgrade your cab aswell.

Slot 2-3 Weapon / car modshop
Because it's the only sensible choice.
Maybe the storage for PV is worth it for you. You can put one car in it and summon that one through M menu.

Slot 1, Command Centre. Slot 2+3 weapon & carmodshop is the most efficient. ...unless

You're still gonna buy those awesome guns on the Avenger. Then i would put the weapon and modshop in that. It's way more fun to fly anyway.

A good thing about the MOC is to migrate to another session with friends. Some nasty cheater, tired of tryhards or session to boring? Summon MOC & start up a mission. After it, you are your friends should be put into 1 session again.

[Retrolicious]

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Is it possible to start special missions from inside the Avenger?

To be able to mod the avenger in the base facility is there a mechanic or mod shop required? Is it another money sink? Or is there a mechanic for free to mod doomsday vehicles?

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I think you need the modshop inside your facility to mod the Avenger, Khanjali, Chernobog, Thruster

I'm not sure since I bought the facility with all bells and whistles on release. Check Mazebank Foreclosures if there is an mechanic option. If so, then yes there is another paywall.

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Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

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Is it possible to start special missions from inside the Avenger?

No, it only has these really cool awesome guns

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

hmm, so i just realized my moc has no turrets but it has the gun and vehicle workshops
on the other side, my avenger has no workshops but it got all the turrets

good? even itself out? or should i buy the workshops for avenger and turrets for moc?

[Hedning]

The avenger is a better vehicle, but the moc gives you trade prices on other vehicles. I would get the MOC because it's the price and savings that matters most.

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Originally posted by altimer:

hmm, so i just realized my moc has no turrets but it has the gun and vehicle workshops
on the other side, my avenger has no workshops but it got all the turrets

good? even itself out? or should i buy the workshops for avenger and turrets for moc?

Too bad we can't have both active at the same. I would drive a car into a MOC and drive that into the Avenger.

[Retrolicious]

Does the avenger also work with the Moc slot system? Or can have avenger have all? MK2 weapo mod + tank mod shop + turret + personal vehicle storage all at once?

[Arondight]

Avenger has no vehicle storage and the bays are fixed

[Hedning]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

can have avenger have all?

No, you can actually check everything yourself just by going on the warstock site. Just don't press buy at the end.

[Dura]

Originally posted by *.):

Originally posted by altimer:

hmm, so i just realized my moc has no turrets but it has the gun and vehicle workshops
on the other side, my avenger has no workshops but it got all the turrets

good? even itself out? or should i buy the workshops for avenger and turrets for moc?

Too bad we can't have both active at the same. I would drive a car into a MOC and drive that into the Avenger.

If I am not wrong, the Avanger has better and more spawn points. Every time I summon my MOC it spawns either far away or at a place which is harder to reach. So I prefer the Avanger either way.
Besides the fact that you get trade prices because of the MOC (after finishing the right mission), the MOC is not really worth it. The guns are pretty similiar, but you can't switch while using one. You need to stand up and change seats. And you can't get in the back while driving. Which is kinda annoying. In the Avanger you can turn on autopilot and go into the back and actually switch between the canons when using them. And to fully upgrade the MOC (with canons etc) you need to have the research, which you do not need for the Avenger.
But to be honest, the only good vehicle from that update is the Oppressor. And spending 2mil+ for the MOC and doing missions just to make it 900k cheaper is.... well, a waste.

[Dura]

Originally posted by 󰀀 Redhead 󰀈:

Does the avenger also work with the Moc slot system? Or can have avenger have all? MK2 weapo mod + tank mod shop + turret + personal vehicle storage all at once?

You can't drive into the Avanger with normal personal vehicles if I am not wrong. Only if those are "armored" personal vehicles that you can upgrade. Like Deluxo, Pickup Insurgent etc.. if you have the workshop.

The same is with the MOC. You can only have the personal vehicle storage OR the workshop at the same time. And the only thing you can do with the personal storage is... drive with your vehicle inside. It's only while driving. And with the interaction menu or a mechanic it's only a small gimick as you can summon your car almost everywhere. And people usually won't blow up your car if it's on the roadside because people usually don't want to pay 20k for nothing.

[Retrolicious]

Seems like a fully modded MOC is about half the fully modded Avenger price ... is that correct?
Also is it possible to sell MoC or Avenger once they get boring? Anyone knows?

[poky]

Avenger also has gunlocker and security camera feed for afk.