Red Light Violation

[Beltane]

Sometimes i really don't get it. I am not from the US, so please enlighten me if i am missing something. From my understanding, its generally okay to take a right turn on a crossing where you are shown the red light if you consider the following:

1) coming to a halt or close halt
2) indicate change of direction
3) give right of way to the traffic that comes from the left

This is what i usually do ingame, which is fine 95% of the times. And then there is the 5% were i get a Red Light Violation and i don't get why. Are there states that handle this rule differently? It just happened to me while cruising in Texas. But i somehow doubt that even if, that SCS would went to the lengths of implementing certain state specific street regulations.

Or is it just a case of what i think is right wether what the game defines as right? Which is possible since i always have to remember to lighten up my headlights way WAY earlier than i would usually do in real life. But thats easy, just watch the clock. Those right turns on a red light... i dunno. Wrong angle? Me looking the wrong way at possible incoming cars?

[Antares]

You're right, it just buggy. Don't waste your time trying to find a pattern or a solution, you won't find one. Sometimes you get fined, most times not, even on the same crossing. That's the way it is. Don't bother, take it easy.

[Reese]

Years of experimentation and the only fact about Turn on Red in the game is that it is consistently inconsistent.

There have been times where I purposefully turned right from the left turn only lane and cut across the 2-3 right lanes and did not get a fine without stopping while right signal was on.

Also on your point 1, all 50 US states require you to come to a complete stop to make a Right Turn on Red or Left Turn on Red. A rolling stop in any state is a moving violation, stop sign or red traffic signal.

Back to the game, just do it how you want to do it. The game doesn't know right from wrong, just tells you that it thinks you're doing something wrong.

[Aspen Ridge]

In the game you don't even have to make a complete stop when you turn right on red. Just be sure not to "lane borrow" that is make sure to stay in your right lane when you turn (and not veer over into the adjacent lane) Of course you need to make sure to have your signal on well ahead of the intersection. In this way you will never get a fine.

[Beltane]

Originally posted by Aspen Ridge:

In the game you don't even have to make a complete stop when you turn right on red. Just be sure not to "lane borrow" that is make sure to stay in your right lane when you turn (and not veer over into the adjacent lane) Of course you need to make sure to have your signal on well ahead of the intersection. In this way you will never get a fine.

Might be the reason. I currently have one of the longest trailers attached. To get a proper clean turn there is no other way arround than to borrow that second lane. Otherwise it will collide with the traffic light pole.

On the other hand, it did not happen on other occasions... so, doubt - kinda.

[Reese]

Like I said, I've borrowed all the lanes without getting fined, as well as staying fully in the right lane only getting fined.

Edit: Page with videos https://steamcommunity.com/app/270880/discussions/0/4347732779395477541/#c4347732779395578732

[Aspen Ridge]

Originally posted by Beltane:

Originally posted by Aspen Ridge:

In the game you don't even have to make a complete stop when you turn right on red. Just be sure not to "lane borrow" that is make sure to stay in your right lane when you turn (and not veer over into the adjacent lane) Of course you need to make sure to have your signal on well ahead of the intersection. In this way you will never get a fine.

Might be the reason. I currently have one of the longest trailers attached. To get a proper clean turn there is no other way arround than to borrow that second lane. Otherwise it will collide with the traffic light pole.

On the other hand, it did not happen on other occasions... so, doubt - kinda.

Hmmm..the only time in recent memory is when I swung out too wide...the game thinks you are in the "going straight lane" and fines you for running the red.

[Ebyl]

It's buggy. I started paying attention to this during my drives and I've been fined while doing everything the "safe way" as some claim. Nope, you'll still get occasional fines. If you absolutely do not want turn on red fines, the only solution is to never turn on red or turn fines off.

[The Pitts]

Unless those that have been experimenting with this and not getting fines when going against the stated approach have also changed police_data.sii so that offence_probabilty[5] is set to 1 then those experiments don't really prove that doing things badly is acceptable, just that you perhaps got lucky with the RNG (since the default is .7, or 70% chance).

Not to say that I don't find the occasional fine frustrating, but every example we come across needs to be reported to SCS because it is most likely an issue in the map data.

[Madkine]

There are 2 rules:

Indicator on
Stay in lane on approach

*And yes some intersections are buggy.

[The Pitts]

Originally posted by Ozwald:

Sometimes you don't get fines when you should

Which is my point. Without a self crafted mod you will only get fined 70% of the time (absent the presence of a police car) when you get it wrong. I regularly use right on red and only very occasionally get fined, but how much of that is luck? There is definitely at least one faulty intersection in Las Vegas and a couple in the newer DLC areas, but those are when you get fined when you believe that you should not, not the other way around.

[Madkine]

Originally posted by Ozwald:

I've had all of those things happen & not happen across the board.

Which is the definition of a bug.

[Aspen Ridge]

Originally posted by Ozwald:

Originally posted by Madkine:

Which is the definition of a bug.

Which is exactly what I've been saying from the get-go. All these fake fixes, like 'all you have to do is stay in your lane & use your signal', are BS. Which is also what I've been saying from the get-go. Same with 'it's only X intersection'. It's not. There might be ones that do it 100% of the time, but that's not what I've been testing.

I've been looking for a 100% sure way to not get the ticket, but isolating specific circumstances & trying them out in different ways, both repeating the same intersections & trying possible solutions across different intersections, have yet to produce anything close to a pattern or repeatable results.

It's just buggy & any solution saying, 'all you have to do is X'... BS.... Which is what I've been saying from the get-go.

But again, who cares. The fine might as well be a penny for all the impact it has on an individual as a player. It's frustrating when you're sure you did everything right & you still get a ticket, which is half the reason I started trying to find a solution. The other half is people coming in saying 'all you have to do...' which is more annoying than getting a ticket on a perfect turn. Which is also this entire thread. I voiced all of these things. Someone else (edit: 2 people) comes in & confirms, then... here we are.

Edit: the last sentence & I also wanted to add that I've been dealing with a narcissistic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at work, so sorry, I'm a little grumpier with a shorter trigger than normal.

Breathe my man...it's all good. Your points are well made and valid. Sending you good vibes and a hug.!!

[Dark & Realistic™ Nessie]

As far as I know, doing like OP stated should be enough to avoid the ticket, and it should be allowed on all states available until now.

So, in case you've got a ticket on any of the existing crossings, you should take note of where they are, and report them as a bug.

We all just need to pay attention on some future states, as the "European rules" apply.

[Bentor Kelec]

from my experience, this got worse over time. I had little to no such issues during the first few years but it got more since and my personal high was hit when OK released, where there are several intersections I could replicate the issue at will.
Just keept reporting when it happens and hoped for the best.

[🦊 Hermit]

Once I got my head around the concept of right-on-a-red initially (completely alien to me as I've never been to the US), I found that I practically never get a fine for it at all. Of all the times I've done it in my past 50 or so hours of play, I can count the number of infractions received from it on one hand.

My philosophy is: Approach slowly, but stopping is not required. Indicator on. Stay in lane on approach, but swinging out a little once actually in the junction is fine, and overrunning the lane on exit if required is okay too. Even drifting into oncoming as you exit the intersection, so long as you don't run into anything, isn't a problem.