Let's Unite Behind This

[noone5160]

Kenworth still makes the C500, which is a rugged heavy haul workhorse of a truck. It's mighty and manly, just my kind of truck, at least when it's got the long butterfly hood that's parallel with the frame. This game is mostly aerodynamic highway trucks, the opposite of cool if you ask me.

The thing I want most in this game is one cool truck to drive, and not a modded truck, cuz those are never quite right, or they require an ultra-PC to run them. And modders like to encrypt the files for their trucks, so thieves can't get at them, which prevents the purchaser from customizing them for private use, which is a drag, cuz it's more like a subscription at that point; you don't own it then.

Anyways, since Kenworth still makes it, it needs to be in this game. This game has lowboy trailers and plenty of heavy cargo, so give us one of the best heavy-haul work trucks ever made, the mighty Kenworth C500.

I'm asking you to take this on, and desire this for yourself. If enough of us want this, and it's brought to the attention of SCS, maybe we'll have it someday. This is a pipedream, but whatever, they'll probably never update the 389, and the W900's narrow hood is aesthetically unappealing to me. I need one truck I like in this blasted game.

And I want a Lode King Super B flatbed, but that's a whole other discussion.

[Qrazy]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

So you think a sloped hood is more functional? Or do you only use cabovers? For me, the long hood is super functional; I know exactly where everthing is, cuz it's a straight vertical line from the end of the hood to the ground. I actually think the sloped hoods make it more difficult to know where you're at, cuz you can't see the end of the front of the truck; it keeps going forward past where you can see. With the 389, you've got a big blind spot in front of the truck, but you just gotta pay attention so nothing sneaks in there without you knowing.

When I first started playing this game, I wished there was at least one cabover, but now I'm all about that long, high hood. This game though, with it's ridiculously long wheelbases, makes the stock long-hood trucks a pain; they aren't maneuverable. I can shorten up the chassis in blender now, though. I made a W900 tag axle chassis mod, for the 72″ sleeper, so it's around a 260″ wheelbase with the tag lifted; it's super maneuverable. A 323″ wheelbase for a 6x4 W9 is just stupid; 362″ for a pusher axle chassis w/sleeper is absurd.

For me it's all about maneuverability. I wish I had a cab over at work, I'd even settle for a 4x2 chassis. But I'm stuck with the standard 6x4 chassis Volvo VNL.

If I was only doing 2 or 3 backs a week like a lot of OTR drivers then I wouldn't mind a 389 or a W900. Some weeks I'm doing 20-30 backs per day. So I guess I bring that same mentality into ATS/ETS2 with me liking shorter wheelbase trucks better.

[MirkoC407]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

So you think a sloped hood is more functional? Or do you only use cabovers? For me, the long hood is super functional; I know exactly where everthing is, cuz it's a straight vertical line from the end of the hood to the ground. I actually think the sloped hoods make it more difficult to know where you're at, cuz you can't see the end of the front of the truck; it keeps going forward past where you can see. With the 389, you've got a big blind spot in front of the truck, but you just gotta pay attention so nothing sneaks in there without you knowing.

In ATS I drive usually sloped hoods - quite funny reason: for knowing where everyhting is - mostly the car in front of me at the red light. So different are players and their habits and preferences.
Sometimes there will the odd run with the Kenworth W900 that I still own from early game days, but its miles are by far outnumbered by International LoneStar (okay - high hood either but its 40es needle nose style offers a gap to peek along) and Western Star 49X. Only reason why the W900 is just number 2 on my kickout list is the poor visibility of the Mack Anthem with the mirrors obstructing side view on yielding no matter what you do with your seat adjustments. Even between my two "nearly non runners" Kenworth W900 and Peterbilt 579 (first truck ever I had in the game) I think the Pete is on the stronger position.
The Peterbilt 389 I hate passionately - that thing does not have a blind spot, it is a blind spot. Also at intersections you have to stop 2 car lengths ahead of the line, otherwise even the light opposite the intersection will disappear behind that bloody massive and non-transparent visor. That truck offers as much view as a battle tank. Some slit in each direction.

But so different are personal preferences

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi Qrazy:

For me it's all about maneuverability. I wish I had a cab over at work, I'd even settle for a 4x2 chassis. But I'm stuck with the standard 6x4 chassis Volvo VNL.

If I was only doing 2 or 3 backs a week like a lot of OTR drivers then I wouldn't mind a 389 or a W900. Some weeks I'm doing 20-30 backs per day. So I guess I bring that same mentality into ATS/ETS2 with me liking shorter wheelbase trucks better.

Wow, 20-30 per day, that's crazy. Yeah, I can imagine you're backing into a lot of tight and tricky spots too, so maneuverability would be the top priority. I'm not a truck driver, so I don't know, but I still think I'd rather have a cool truck, no matter how much it inconvenienced me haha. But the chassis are too long in this game, for the W9 and 389 especially. You could easily have them with a ~260 wheelbase, with sleepers, and that's decently maneuverable. A 4x2 is almost too maneuverable haha, it'll always catch up to the trailer

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi MirkoC407:

In ATS I drive usually sloped hoods - quite funny reason: for knowing where everyhting is - mostly the car in front of me at the red light. So different are players and their habits and preferences.
Sometimes there will the odd run with the Kenworth W900 that I still own from early game days, but its miles are by far outnumbered by International LoneStar (okay - high hood either but its 40es needle nose style offers a gap to peek along) and Western Star 49X. Only reason why the W900 is just number 2 on my kickout list is the poor visibility of the Mack Anthem with the mirrors obstructing side view on yielding no matter what you do with your seat adjustments. Even between my two "nearly non runners" Kenworth W900 and Peterbilt 579 (first truck ever I had in the game) I think the Pete is on the stronger position.
The Peterbilt 389 I hate passionately - that thing does not have a blind spot, it is a blind spot. Also at intersections you have to stop 2 car lengths ahead of the line, otherwise even the light opposite the intersection will disappear behind that bloody massive and non-transparent visor. That truck offers as much view as a battle tank. Some slit in each direction.

But so different are personal preferences

Haha, that's funny. I think you could get used to the 389 if you just forced yourself to drive it a while, and you'd probably end up loving it, if you prefer the look of it. Uh, probably not the SCS 389 though, cuz the model is all outdated and bad. I have the Ruda 389, and I've put tens of thousands of miles on it.

I really like pulling up behind cars at red lights with the 389, cuz you can completely cover them with the hood, and you're still like a car length away haha.

The visor is an issue with the SCS 389 cuz the seat doesn't go low enough; so that'd be a camera issue, right? That annoys me too. I think you could fix it with a def file mod, but I haven't messed with it cuz I don't drive that truck anyways.

[noone5160]

If you want some different chassis options for the W900, to increase it's maneuverability, I have this mod I made, and the link to it is in the comment I left on this YouTube video:

https://youtu.be/haZdNgZT9So?si=JHSE_IgV21nsFwUX

There's a 6x4 option for the 72 sleeper, I think a 254 wheelbase. There's a 303 wheelbase pusher axle chassis. And the tag axle chassis with a 250 something wheelbase; it's cool too cuz the truck is way less maneuverable when you lower that rear tag axle.

For me, this game requires a sleeper cab. Day cabs just don't make sense for this game, most of the time. So I had to shorten the W9 chassis, cuz they are ridiculously long.

Somebody else in here shared youtube links, so I'm assuming it's okay?

[MirkoC407]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

Haha, that's funny. I think you could get used to the 389 if you just forced yourself to drive it a while, and you'd probably end up loving it, if you prefer the look of it.

NEVER!!! Don't like it anyways. If it was not the worst model by SCS (seems they used a 90es model I'd go for the International 9900i - there is nothing, not even most basic information like speed settings for cruise control. Once had a really cool 9400i mod (yes, I know, sloped hood again). But I try to avoid mods meanwhile anyways, especially truck mods. The required housekeeping annoys me too much meanwhile. There were ETS2 times when I was running 3 large truck mods for 3 brands in parallel and had fun doing so. But the Peterbilt 389 does not give me any vibes. Another reason why I have that Kenworth W900 instead.

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi MirkoC407:

NEVER!!! Don't like it anyways. If it was not the worst model by SCS (seems they used a 90es model I'd go for the International 9900i - there is nothing, not even most basic information like speed settings for cruise control. Once had a really cool 9400i mod (yes, I know, sloped hood again). But I try to avoid mods meanwhile anyways, especially truck mods. The required housekeeping annoys me too much meanwhile. There were ETS2 times when I was running 3 large truck mods for 3 brands in parallel and had fun doing so. But the Peterbilt 389 does not give me any vibes. Another reason why I have that Kenworth W900 instead.

Yeah, I sort of like the look of the 9900i, the headlights are super ugly though. I actually like the simple interior, with the analogue gauges, switches and all that. It's almost like an old truck.

I don't like dealing with mod trucks either, that's why I wish there was at least one SCS truck I really liked. An updated 389 would do it. I saw on the wiki that they were gonna add the Western Star 4900 at some point, but I guess that got cancelled or something, I don't know. Man, that would've been awesome, I actually really like the look of that truck, with the long, high hood. It's a hundred times cooler than the 49X.

We all have own own aesthetic taste I guess; the 389 does it for me. But I don't like those alien lobe headlights on the 389, I really prefer the old stock 379 headlights.

[🦊 Hermit]

The headlights on the 389 are a big thumbs down for me as well, they do look quite bug-eyed and weird. Also the cab has too many curves on it for the aesthetic imo. The nose and grille are very angular and square, then the rest of it switches to smooth, streamlined arcs. Kinda clashes with itself and makes it look haphazard and misshapen.

I prefer the W900 because it sticks more to the angular theme, and carries that better through the design. The lights are square, the roofline is more squared off, and while it does still have the odd curve in it here and there, they're much more understated and so do not conflict as much.

That's one thing the C500 does have going for it in my book - it keeps the design ethos through the whole vehicle to an even greater degree than the W900. Even the wheelarches are angled, nice touch Although I will confess the grille having more surface area than a medium-sized country seems a bit much in my view, surely they could have cut down that enormous slab just a little without losing cooling capacity?

[Biff Tannen]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

Nguyên văn bởi Biff Tannen:

I like the look of that truck. I want one!!

I know, right? Too bad it won't happen. You'll have to go buy a $35 mod haha

Not a chance

[noone5160]

Hermit, I find myself agreeing with you; yours is an insightful aesthetic opinion. I like the 389, but I have felt like the cab is a little off somehow, it doesn't quite match the hood, especially the high roof cab.

For me, I'd like the W900 a lot more if the hood/grille was wider, I really dislike needle-nose hoods, even though the W9's isn't quite that.

As far as the C500 goes, I love how wide the hood/grille/radiator is, it makes the truck look like an ox or something haha. It's a strong looking truck. There are quite a few variations as well, some of the hoods do taper a bit towards the grille. I also really like how the C500's hood is above the frame rails, and that they extend straight out to the bumper. I dislike how the W9 and 389 have that frame horn thing that makes it so the hood and bumper mount down below the level of the frame rails. I wonder how much more effective the C500's massive radiator is haha

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi Biff Tannen:

Not a chance

I wouldn't buy it either.

[MirkoC407]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

Hermit, I find myself agreeing with you; yours is an insightful aesthetic opinion. I like the 389, but I have felt like the cab is a little off somehow, it doesn't quite match the hood, especially the high roof cab.

For me it is mostly the free standing headlights that don't appeal to me on the Peterbilts. This also applies for older models like the 379 when they were not yet designed units and used standard lights. Also the round cab roof is not so much to my taste. And on the inside the W900 is more structured with its framed mains and unframed minor gauge clusters. I like some structure in a cockpit, especially on a computer screen where it is harder to read them anyways. But as an MEng probably my inner Monk screams for some structure beyond pure readability.

For me, I'd like the W900 a lot more if the hood/grille was wider, I really dislike needle-nose hoods, even though the W9's isn't quite that.

Comparing a 379 with the W900, making it easier due to the standard lights, I'd say they are not really too different in width. It is more an optical illusion resulting from the thick Peterbilt frame and its square shape. The Kenworth is of a more vertical design with the thin lower crossframe, the pointed centerline on the hood and the dominant, also pretty vertical shaped company logo. But indeed, the Peterbilt seems wider first glance.

[Nuheni]

Nguyên văn bởi noone5160:

But surely the 389 will be receiving a complete remodel along with 1.5, right? I'd be happy with that.

Pretty happy with it now :]
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3195327537

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi MirkoC407:

For me it is mostly the free standing headlights that don't appeal to me on the Peterbilts. This also applies for older models like the 379 when they were not yet designed units and used standard lights.

Comparing a 379 with the W900, making it easier due to the standard lights, I'd say they are not really too different in width. It is more an optical illusion resulting from the thick Peterbilt frame and its square shape. The Kenworth is of a more vertical design with the thin lower crossframe, the pointed centerline on the hood and the dominant, also pretty vertical shaped company logo. But indeed, the Peterbilt seems wider first glance.

Yeah I like it better when the headlights are in the fenders.

I just took them both into blender and measured the hoods. They both start at a width of
around 60in, 153cm; the W9 tapers down to a width of about 43in, 109cm; the 389 tapers down to around 51in, 130cm. So the W9's hood is quite a bit more narrow, and it looks it, it's almost a needle-nose.

[noone5160]

Nguyên văn bởi Sator:

Pretty happy with it now :]

Just don't look to closely at it or compare it to the trucks which have been added or updated recently, and don't take it into blender haha. It's not like it's crazy bad, but it's significantly worse than most of the other trucks. If you're happy with it now, you'll be blown away if they remodel it.