Why all the hate/negativity?

[[THG] WHOLF⚡]

Cause I have been playing and streaming this game for 3+ hours and all I experience is fun, relaxation and just a great time. Why the hate?

[Kayn]

Origineel geplaatst door susanwit:

Y'all haven't even played long enough to judge Palia. I have been playing Palia since open Beta last year and I love the game. The Devs try hard to fix the bugs as soon as possible. It is an awesome game, with so much potential and it's still in early access!

If you bothered to read the negative reviews you'd see that most of us have been playing just as long, if not longer.

[Kayn]

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

Origineel geplaatst door Valimure:

After you've already downloaded it.

We've already seen a ton of brand new players that didn't know this was a beta complain about it, so I'm not sure why you're arguing with us about the fact that it needed to be better advertised as such.

That's your complaint? Seriously? This is starting to look like an argument for children.

Asking for transparency and clarity in a games state of development is just a basic given expectation. The only childish thing about this was how hard S6 tried to hide that fact. With enough backlash they are now looking to correct it.

[Roan]

Origineel geplaatst door Bambooz:

Since all this thread is by now is goalpost shifting and "i've been playing this game longer than you, therefore only my opinion counts", I'm outta here. Steam really is full to the brim with rtards

Yo it's 2024, please find a better word to use.

Extremely uncozy.

[Orionis]

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

That's your complaint? Seriously? This is starting to look like an argument for children.

Asking for transparency and clarity in a games state of development is just a basic given expectation. The only childish thing about this was how hard S6 tried to hide that fact. With enough backlash they are now looking to correct it.

... You were just complaining about how they don't listen, but now you're mad when they do? The whole point of giving negative feedback is so they fix their sh*t. There are many valid complaints, but whining about a beta tag is seriously so vain. If you can't be f*cked to read the update log, that's your problem.

[Exploding_Acorn]

Origineel geplaatst door ZeroGiven:

All you have to look at is the time from the Switch announcement to the Switch release. Major bugs ignored as they focused solely on preparing for the Switch. Over 6 months of achievements and other systems relying on inventory history not working and S6 just plodding along as if nothing was wrong. Progression blocking bugs in the Subira story and players being told they have to wait over a month. The only thing S6 was prioritizing was the Switch because they needed the numbers bump. How did ignoring all the other problems work out for them?

No clue. Does Switch have a Steam Chart equivalent? All I cared about was the couple of family members that were happily placing Frogbert today thanks to the Switch release. For Steam I've mainly seen about the same handful of names really angry about the game in here. To the point that we're digging through the Glassdoor reviews now.

Hope a Xbox and PlayStation release comes down the line. Main downside is I'm assuming that patch certification across multiple platforms could be a pain.

[Roan]

Origineel geplaatst door Exploding_Acorn:

Origineel geplaatst door ZeroGiven:

All you have to look at is the time from the Switch announcement to the Switch release. Major bugs ignored as they focused solely on preparing for the Switch. Over 6 months of achievements and other systems relying on inventory history not working and S6 just plodding along as if nothing was wrong. Progression blocking bugs in the Subira story and players being told they have to wait over a month. The only thing S6 was prioritizing was the Switch because they needed the numbers bump. How did ignoring all the other problems work out for them?

No clue. Does Switch have a Steam Chart equivalent? All I cared about was the couple of family members that were happily placing Frogbert today thanks to the Switch release. For Steam I've mainly seen about the same handful of names really angry about the game in here. To the point that we're digging through the Glassdoor reviews now.

Hope a Xbox and PlayStation release comes down the line. Main downside is I'm assuming that patch certification across multiple platforms could be a pain.

The sub-60% rating says that it's more than just a "handful" of people angry about the game.

I've done my damnedest to be a voice for the people that wanted to like this game, but y'all make it tough.

[Kayn]

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Asking for transparency and clarity in a games state of development is just a basic given expectation. The only childish thing about this was how hard S6 tried to hide that fact. With enough backlash they are now looking to correct it.

... You were just complaining about how they don't listen, but now you're mad when they do? The whole point of giving negative feedback is so they fix their sh*t. There are many valid complaints, but whining about a beta tag is seriously so vain. If you can't be f*cked to read the update log, that's your problem.

Excuse me?

Why would you expect a new user on steam to go and dig through dev update blogs to understand if it's a beta game or not? Why is it so difficult to add that wording to the store front - ya know, where normal people go and look for that information....

[Orionis]

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

... You were just complaining about how they don't listen, but now you're mad when they do? The whole point of giving negative feedback is so they fix their sh*t. There are many valid complaints, but whining about a beta tag is seriously so vain. If you can't be f*cked to read the update log, that's your problem.

Excuse me?

Why would you expect a new user on steam to go and dig through dev update blogs to understand if it's a beta game or not? Why is it so difficult to add that wording to the store front - ya know, where normal people go and look for that information....

There's not much to dig through. It's literally the most recent post.

Your incompetency with navigating game launcher does not suddenly mean the devs are hiding anything or lacking in transparency. The information is very easy to find if you spend more than 2 seconds scrolling through their store page.

[Kayn]

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Excuse me?

Why would you expect a new user on steam to go and dig through dev update blogs to understand if it's a beta game or not? Why is it so difficult to add that wording to the store front - ya know, where normal people go and look for that information....

There's not much to dig through. It's literally the most recent post.

Your incompetency with navigating game launcher does not suddenly mean the devs are hiding anything or lacking in transparency. The information is very easy to find if you spend more than 2 seconds scrolling through their store page.

Yes TODAY it's the top post - and in a few weeks?
The title doesn't even expression the sentiment so after it falls off the front page it'll be just one of many uninformative dev updates in a text list. They also specifically did not flag it as a starred update so it's already hidden behind a 'read more news' tag. And after a few more posts it'll be almost completely inaccessible without navigating through multiple pages.

There is zero good reason to be being rude and condescending about people who you don't even know and who are potential new players. No normal new person goes and digs through old dev blogs, it's not unreasonable to expect the information they need to be on the store page...

I'm not sure why you're making this some strange personal attack when I am a closed beta participant. This was not about _me_ it's always been about new players and their experience is important and no, sorry, it's not okay to call them names or think they're stupid for not hunting for a blog post that's going to be buried in a few weeks....

[Orionis]

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

There's not much to dig through. It's literally the most recent post.

Your incompetency with navigating game launcher does not suddenly mean the devs are hiding anything or lacking in transparency. The information is very easy to find if you spend more than 2 seconds scrolling through their store page.

Yes TODAY it's the top post - and in a few weeks?
The title doesn't even expression the sentiment so after it falls off the front page it'll be just one of many uninformative dev updates in a text list. They also specifically did not flag it as a starred update so it's already hidden behind a 'read more news' tag. And after a few more posts it'll be almost completely inaccessible without navigating through multiple pages.

There is zero good reason to be being rude and condescending about people who you don't even know and who are potential new players. No normal new person goes and digs through old dev blogs, it's not unreasonable to expect the information they need to be on the store page...

I'm not sure why you're making this some strange personal attack when I am a closed beta participant. This was not about _me_ it's always been about new players and their experience is important and no, sorry, it's not okay to call them names or think they're stupid for not hunting for a blog post that's going to be buried in a few weeks....

It was just a statement of fact. You were using your own incompetency as an excuse to be mad about nothing. You can easily search updates online or directly in the discord where they give a sparknotes version and the beta tag is everywhere except Switch because of the way Nintendo handles games on their platform (or whatever, I skimmed that part). This is quite literally the definition of making a mountain over a molehill. It's a small oversight. They didn't kill your palcat. Chill.

[Kayn]

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Yes TODAY it's the top post - and in a few weeks?
The title doesn't even expression the sentiment so after it falls off the front page it'll be just one of many uninformative dev updates in a text list. They also specifically did not flag it as a starred update so it's already hidden behind a 'read more news' tag. And after a few more posts it'll be almost completely inaccessible without navigating through multiple pages.

There is zero good reason to be being rude and condescending about people who you don't even know and who are potential new players. No normal new person goes and digs through old dev blogs, it's not unreasonable to expect the information they need to be on the store page...

I'm not sure why you're making this some strange personal attack when I am a closed beta participant. This was not about _me_ it's always been about new players and their experience is important and no, sorry, it's not okay to call them names or think they're stupid for not hunting for a blog post that's going to be buried in a few weeks....

It was just a statement of fact. You were using your own incompetency as an excuse to be mad about nothing. You can easily search updates online or directly in the discord where they give a sparknotes version and the beta tag is everywhere except Switch because of the way Nintendo handles games on their platform (or whatever, I skimmed that part). This is quite literally the definition of making a mountain over a molehill. It's a small oversight. They didn't kill your palcat. Chill.

No, you brought me up and made this personal please stop with the petty personal attacks, they mean nothing to me and you'll just be reported for them.

As I explained very plainly, it's not about me, and it's not an acceptable or accessible solution for the only mention if beta to be buried in the description of one of many update posts. I even explained how these aren't reflected on the main store front, which is the resource most new players use.

You're welcome to contuine to insult the new members of this community but I'm not going to engage in something so senselessly rude.

[eyore_11]

Origineel geplaatst door Odiare:

Origineel geplaatst door Kayn:

Excuse me?

Why would you expect a new user on steam to go and dig through dev update blogs to understand if it's a beta game or not? Why is it so difficult to add that wording to the store front - ya know, where normal people go and look for that information....

There's not much to dig through. It's literally the most recent post.

Your incompetency with navigating game launcher does not suddenly mean the devs are hiding anything or lacking in transparency. The information is very easy to find if you spend more than 2 seconds scrolling through their store page.

i have trouble talking to people who are really positive about this game bc you guys cant seem to argue without resorting to adhominem attacks, and i dont understand it.

[Exploding_Acorn]

Origineel geplaatst door Valimure:

The sub-60% rating says that it's more than just a "handful" of people angry about the game.

Not many bother with reviews. Heck I've only bothered doing two myself and this kind of game dev stuff actually interests me. Even fewer are going to bother with a forum.

But lets look at numbers. 681 Negatives reviews is what that 59% sits at. The 24 hour peak was 11,000 on Steam. No clue how many stayed on the EGS or standalone launcher, nor what the Switch population looks like.

That's 6% of the Steam population on day two of it's release here. The entire review pool would only equate to 15% of only the Steam population. I figure most of these early reviews were people, myself included, that generally already had their minds made up.

[eyore_11]

Origineel geplaatst door Exploding_Acorn:

Origineel geplaatst door Valimure:

The sub-60% rating says that it's more than just a "handful" of people angry about the game.

Not many bother with reviews. Heck I've only bothered doing two myself and this kind of game dev stuff actually interests me. Even fewer are going to bother with a forum.

But lets look at numbers. 681 Negatives reviews is what that 59% sits at. The 24 hour peak was 11,000 on Steam. No clue how many stayed on the EGS or standalone launcher, nor what the Switch population looks like.

That's 6% of the Steam population on day two of it's release here. The entire review pool would only equate to 15% of only the Steam population. I figure most of these early reviews were people, myself included, that generally already had their minds made up.

but if it's just us being overdramatic then why did the devs respond to us?

and also, you didnt even count how many found those reviews helpful, to vote it as helpful-- some of the negative ones getting upto 1100~ which is well over 10% of the steam population logged on at any given time

[Exploding_Acorn]

Origineel geplaatst door eyore_11:

Origineel geplaatst door Exploding_Acorn:

Not many bother with reviews. Heck I've only bothered doing two myself and this kind of game dev stuff actually interests me. Even fewer are going to bother with a forum.

But lets look at numbers. 681 Negatives reviews is what that 59% sits at. The 24 hour peak was 11,000 on Steam. No clue how many stayed on the EGS or standalone launcher, nor what the Switch population looks like.

That's 6% of the Steam population on day two of it's release here. The entire review pool would only equate to 15% of only the Steam population. I figure most of these early reviews were people, myself included, that generally already had their minds made up.

but if it's just us being overdramatic then why did the devs respond to us?

and also, you didnt even count how many found those reviews helpful, to vote it as helpful-- some of the negative ones getting upto 1100~ which is well over 10% of the steam population logged on at any given time

Steam overall % doesn't count that so it's pointless and way more than I'm willing to put into this conversation. As far as I'm aware the helpful reviews only increases the visibility of that review.

I personally find the whole beta thing to be silly, but to say I'm calling all of the negative reviews over-dramatic would be a gross misrepresentation. The people calling for more accessibility sliders I'm 100% on board there.

I'm assuming the dev blog where they reiterated that they consider the game as an open beta to be the generally good business sense to acknowledge the squeaky wheel.