Shield Suggestion

[Johnny John Johnson]

Please add in the ability to use a secondary weapon with a riot shield. Alot of the secondaries are already wielded with one hand, so why wouldn't you be able to use a shield with them?

[Facehurt]

then people would just be running EOD armor + shield + golden deagle and sniping people from 90 meters away so if they want to add your idea then they will have to make some serious coding work to ensure that the pistol being wielded gets major accuracy debuffs

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Satire:

then people would just be running EOD armor + shield + golden deagle and sniping people from 90 meters away so if they want to add your idea then they will have to make some serious coding work to ensure that the pistol being wielded gets major accuracy debuffs

Well, the pistols already aren't the most accurate weapons to begin with. And I've only gotten the golden deagle once out god knows many hours of gameplay. This sort of combination would only be seen once in a blue moon, and if people are using it to snipe from far away, it's unlikely they'd find a shield useful when they are already so far away from the battle. A shield and pistol combo would be most useful in leading a charge and drawing fire. And even with armor, you will still be very vulnerable from the sides and back. Not to mention that blocking yourself with a shield also slows you down considerably, and combined with the EOD armor's debuff on walking speed, your movement speed would grind down to a snail's pace. You should also be vulnerable from the front while reloading.

[Remlly]

Did you know you are already walking cover with a shield? people can litteraly sit behind you and shoot over you. LMG's can even use a shield bearer as cover to shoot behind. not to mention you are already unlikely to die if you take care to not get flanked or naded and get XP if they kill someone.

I would say adding a pistol to the mix would make it even more stronger. there is really no need to since its there to promote teamplay. not to go pistol rambo with a shield.

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Remlly:

Did you know you are already walking cover with a shield? people can litteraly sit behind you and shoot over you. LMG's can even use a shield bearer as cover to shoot behind. not to mention you are already unlikely to die if you take care to not get flanked or naded and get XP if they kill someone.

I would say adding a pistol to the mix would make it even more stronger. there is really no need to since its there to promote teamplay. not to go pistol rambo with a shield.

You do not get XP if people near you kill other players. I know it's to promote team-play, but being a walking piece of cover really doesn't help as much as you think. For one, the shield just barely covers your body, and does almost nothing to protect people around you, and the enemies will still focus on your other unprotected allies regardless if you are drawing fire or not. And once more, using a shield and pistol combo does not by any means make you invincible. As I stated before, it only covers one direction, and since enemies are often in multiple directions during assaults or defences, they can still gun you down. And once more, you should still be vulnerable from the front while reloading, couple that with how quickly most secondary guns run out of ammo, a gun and shield really aren't as game-breaking as you make it out to be.

[Remlly]

any player taking even small precautions dont get easily flanked. besides I never said you where invincible with a shield ;). a grenade can knock you down already.

its directional cover, standing next to a sandbag doesnt protect you either. it only protects people directly behind you. shields are pretty powerfull when used in the right hands.

besides know I think about it. I dont think its possible to make dual wielding weapons in the game. I dont know exactly but dual wielding was already discussed.

[A kobold]

dual wielding is impossible in engine. Also even if it was possible this would never happen. riot shield + EOD is already extremely powerful in the defense line, especially if you have an IMI gunner using it as cover.

At the most a heavy riot shield may happen, but that is unlikely.

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

dual wielding is impossible in engine. Also even if it was possible this would never happen. riot shield + EOD is already extremely powerful in the defense line, especially if you have an IMI gunner using it as cover.

At the most a heavy riot shield may happen, but that is unlikely.

You'll still get flanked from the sides. I really don't see what's so gamebreaking about this idea. So you can shoot while protected, you can already do that in this game, this idea just lets you move incredibly slowly while doing it.

[unconditional surrender]

I don't see why this is a good idea, to make it anywhere near balanced, you would have to give it some extreme accuracy debuffs, which then would make it useless. Then stack on the speed debuff, then it would be as convincing as a North Korean missile launch. I don't know why you would use this in any situation when there is usually cover around that will do all of this way better, sure, you can move, but either way, sheild or not, your options are extremely limited. You would get shot in the sides or get 'naded if you got anywhere in front of the lines.

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Unheil.:

I don't see why this is a good idea, to make it anywhere near balanced, you would have to give it some extreme accuracy debuffs, which then would make it useless. Then stack on the speed debuff, then it would be as convincing as a North Korean missile launch. I don't know why you would use this in any situation when there is usually cover around that will do all of this way better, sure, you can move, but either way, sheild or not, your options are extremely limited. You would get shot in the sides or get 'naded if you got anywhere in front of the lines.

So that you can be protected from the front while trying to push up. Shields are actually used by the military in real life fairly frequently, and as this game at least tries somewhat to emulate real life combat, I think it would be a nice addition and add a new strategy, because with the way shields currently are, they are next to useless. It would give the shield some use

[unconditional surrender]

Originally posted by TheAlphaWolfeGamer:

So that you can be protected from the front while trying to push up.

See that? that is the problem that i have will this. Sure, it allows you to get closer to the action and get some shots off, but when it comes to grenades, every enemy suddenly becomes Clayton Kershaw. Not to mention the fact that if you are to be pushing up in most situations, it should be rather clear in terms of enemies.

[Street Veteran]

Originally posted by TheAlphaWolfeGamer:

...because with the way shields currently are, they are next to useless. It would give the shield some use

Are you serious? I cant even play without shield. They help you to move from cover to another, protect medic while healing wounded soldiers, help to grab rare drops, helps to retreat when enemy runs over, protect when approaching towers to blow and so on. Maybe most important item after weps.

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Street Veteran:

Originally posted by TheAlphaWolfeGamer:

...because with the way shields currently are, they are next to useless. It would give the shield some use

Are you serious? I cant even play without shield. They help you to move from cover to another, protect medic while healing wounded soldiers, help to grab rare drops, helps to retreat when enemy runs over, protect when approaching towers to blow and so on. Maybe most important item after weps.

This is just from personal experience, I have never used and rarely seen others using shields. There is no way to earn XP or RP with them without using another item

[WaLTaRRoN]

Dude, you'll get XP from the kills of your allies, (1-2XP) and for the RP you can easily move in to bases that are about to be capped. Or you can always try to grab some RP items and then sell them to the armory. A sidearm along with a shield(not to mention EOD) would be OP and there should be no OP equipment in the game. As there isn't any now. Shields have far more uses than you might think. Just experiment and you'll see.

[A kobold]

I tryied making a shield and pistol weapon, jack will not even see that weapon. as it was OP as hell, even if I mad the pistol inacurate and low kill chance. As just sitting around a corner and shooting makes you a god.

[Johnny John Johnson]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

I tryied making a shield and pistol weapon, jack will not even see that weapon. as it was OP as hell, even if I mad the pistol inacurate and low kill chance. As just sitting around a corner and shooting makes you a god.

Even in sitting in a corner, there are still vulnerable angles. Again, there really isn't anything game breaking about a shield and pistol. I've seen plenty of other games where shields and pistols are balanced. Again, it balances out by slowing you down, and should also be slower to turn than other weapons, and when combined with the EOD's speed debuff, you'll be so slow you'll barely be able to advance on the front lines. This really isn't as overpowered as you make it out to be. It's just moving cover with a weapon. Very similar to just moving between cover.