Consensus on Camo Suits?

[HughMyronbrough]

So I'm slowly getting better at stealth. I've mostly done this by talking to more experienced players and applying their advice.

But the players I've talked to differ with regards to the use of Camo Suits.

One player told me they are worthless, and should never be used.

The other said they are situationally useful, for side objectives in daytime. For main objectives, Vest II is better, and obviously Black Ops is great at night.

From experience, I agree with the second guy, but I wanted to see what you guys thought.

[CrashToDesktop]

For your information, stealth only works when there is no battle going on. When the AI is alert and shooting at something, they will always see everything, even if you're reasonably far away, prone, and wearing a ghillie suit. For strictly stealth operations, like ninja'ing a base or taking out a command truck, it's very useful. But for other applications, not so much.

[tarn]

The key of the stealth operation is that your supressed guns have 100% kill chance when the area's unalerted and you can kill them one by one.
If i'm not wrong, camo suits decrease 20% of AI's detection range. So it allows you to approach the AI closer or get through them easier.
You can use vest T2 as well, but the thing is that if you're new to stealth, you may get detected a lot more because you have to keep a greater distance.
Staying undetected in stealth is the goal. Although T2 gives you a chance to consume one bullet, but if the alarm is on, there's a high chance that you'll die.
Since you're new to this field, you may want to use camo first to know the detection system, then you can change to whatever vest you like to use.

P.S: I have played for stealth from I first started this game, and I always use camo all of the time for clearing the bases, capturing trucks or blowing towers. It's a mandatory in my playstyle. So maybe it's not "worthless" at all -,-

[A kobold]

can't say anything new, the two above said it all.

well I can say this, it is generally a good idea to have all three, in pack having a black ops and vest II during the day if you think things are going to get hot swap to the II, once night hits swap to the black ops.

[Pititan]

Originally posted by tarn:

The key of the stealth operation is that your supressed guns have 100% kill chance when the area's unalerted and you can kill them one by one.
If i'm not wrong, camo suits decrease 20% of AI's detection range. So it allows you to approach the AI closer or get through them easier.
You can use vest T2 as well, but the thing is that if you're new to stealth, you may get detected a lot more because you have to keep a greater distance.
Staying undetected in stealth is the goal. Although T2 gives you a chance to consume one bullet, but if the alarm is on, there's a high chance that you'll die.
Since you're new to this field, you may want to use camo first to know the detection system, then you can change to whatever vest you like to use.

P.S: I have played for stealth from I first started this game, and I always use camo all of the time for clearing the bases, capturing trucks or blowing towers. It's a mandatory in my playstyle. So maybe it's not "worthless" at all -,-

I never understood stealth, I always get caught, and then killed.


I'm not good at stealth.

[tarn]

One of the basic thing is knowing the detection range of AI and which factors affect it.

Detection range

In RWR, your stance has an impact on your visibility. If you are in the line of sight of an enemy, you will be harder to detect if you crouch or even harder if you go prone. Going prone and crouching affects not only detection range but also reaction time of enemy. Going prone has better concealment than crouch has. Distance between your soldier and enemy also affects reaction time of AI enemy. Shooting causes immediate detection against you if you are in dectection range of enemy.

Other factors are the day and night cycle as the overall visibility of the AI is reduced at night. Also, depending if a sector is alerted or not, the AI will have a different detection range. An alert happens when hostiles have been detected in a close distance either by sight or audibly.

Those factors are especially important, when you want to go stealth. A prone soldier with a silencer weapon, at night in a non-alerted location will be the hardest to detect.

Hmm, there are many things to say about this.

This is a video taken from my footage a few month ago, I hope this will help somehow.

https://youtu.be/n8cc6qtEF80

[Silky]

Originally posted by HughMyronbrough:

So I'm slowly getting better at stealth. I've mostly done this by talking to more experienced players and applying their advice.

Obviously hasn't played with Silky, I heard Silky was so dope at stealth that he rocks the AK with camo on the front lines, heard he was a natural born killer..

[Exarch]

the camo is the best in my opinion as it works both day and night. spec ops suit is good because it gives armor, but only takes 1 bullet.

[redsky1335]

This may have been changed, but the RWR wiki says the Camo suit increases movement speed a little bit. That's situationally useful- say you're far away from a target, can't get a vehicle because of AA or terrain won't permit it, you can buy a Vest and stick it in your backpack, and wear the camo suit to close in on the target or get to a vehicle a little faster.

On top of that, the smaller detection range while in Camo is great for scouting; a pair of binoculars or a sniper rifle and a camo suit can be used to quickly do a lap around a target area and probe for weak points or locate sabotage targets. Then when you're ready to get to fightin', and you have to go loud, swap out the Camo you're wearing for your Vest 2 and get to work.

Personally, I've found great success with the Camo suit in Final Mission 1 and 2. Particularly #2. Maybe I just got lucky all three times I did the mission, but when destroying the first Radar Jammer (the one a lot of people have trouble getting to, in the little fort on the hill heavily defended), each time I was successful I was using a Camo suit and two suppressed weapons (main and sidearm).

After trying to rush up in there repeatedly with EOD2 or Vest 2 only to get blown away, I decided to try the stealthy approach (despite me sucking at stealth in RWR). Other posters are saying that once an enemy group is engaged, detection doesn't matter, you'll be spotted- but to me, it seemed like the enemy prioritizes my squad and allied troopers and I am able to move around more freely (until I start shooting).

Because of this, I was able to use the speed bonus from Camo to sprint up into the little fort, navigate to the Jammer, plant C4, and blow it up successfully. Maybe the Camo had little to do with it, maybe it was just good timing for me to make the rush and the enemy was poorly positioned to stop the sudden advance.

IDR if the Black Ops Vest gives a speed bonus too, but if so, that's all you should wear (unless going up against a lot of explosives) since you get bullet protection, a little blast protection, stealth at night, and possibly the speed bonus. Could be wrong on that last one, someone can correct me.

[Opt_0™]

I love the Ghillie Suit personally for Stealth all around, I'll even use them in combat and work a secondary line of fire behind the mainline. But some people like the sense of Armor.

Pro Tip: There is no "Best" in RWR. It's all about the role you want to play and your play style.

[Hammer Of Evil]

They're indispensible for my ninja missions to deprive the enemy of assets, like vehicles, aa guns, or communications. Even causing a massive distraction can assist the main forces' assault..

[Krab]

The Ghillie is objectively better for sniping or non combat scouting. If I'm going to stealth a base by myself, I'll wear a Mark II and only use a silenced sidearm. The sidearm is better for one hit picks, and since you're wearing a vest you can be a little more dirty, careless and up close and personal rather than having to keep it clean and tactical at a distance with a Ghillie.

Also, I think that midnightblue's strategy may not be as effective as it sounds. I would assume that any speed bonus granted by the Ghillie is probably negated by having the Mk II in your pack.

Then again, I have a Kamikaze flanker playstyle, it really just depends on what kind of soldier you play as.

[redsky1335]

@Spang

Does your backpack's contents weigh you down if it's not over 100%? I was under the impression that you could stuff it with w/e you wanted as long as it doesn't exceed 100%, you don't move slower or suffer accuracy penalties. If all I have in my bag is an MK II, I believe you can put 2 grenades in there and still be below 100%.

And yes, that "strategy" I used seemed like more of a pair of flukes. I may have just picked the right moment to rush the jammer, and the speed bonus was negligable. I shared my experience on Final Mission 2 because I've seen a lot of folks have trouble trying to breakout of the base, and hopefully someone else can find success thanks to my description.

[MrTea777]

Camo can be very effective and powerful. The more you use it, the more you'll understand it's advantages.