This is a GAMBLING RPG - Not an aRPG

[UnknownOne]

The loot system in this game could be good, but it's not. Of the 100 or so Exalted Orbs I've applied, I'd wager that 90/100 ruined the item. What I mean, is that it added something like 1.5 Health regen or 1-4 thorns. When I go to remove these, it removes a stat I want.

This was an issue in POE1 as well. So, I doubt I will ever return. I played POE1 for about 100 hours too and came to the same realization. You will spend hundreds of hours farming, and 90% of the time, you will get nothing useful. The Unique items are like 99% utter garbage too. It feels like most of them are place holders. Edit: My guess is that uniques will roll out when they add currency that lets you gamble the stats on them as well.

Boss battles are too challenging for the practically ZERO rewards you get. They simply dont drop anything useful with any regularity. So, it just feels punishing to fight them. Why spend all that time fighting when the likelihood of a drop is close to zero? Then, if you get something cool, you are 99% likely to brick the item and make it useless. I mean, who thought this was good design? It sucks.

Anyway, if the devs are reading, you need to increase drop rates probably 10 fold. The vast majority of decent items that drop are ruined anyway. So, as the game stands, it's a dead end for me.

I would highly recommend waiting to try this game until its F2P. I'd like my 30 dollars back.

Of my 90 hours, I'd say I enjoyed maybe 10 of those hours. Edit: I was committed to beating the story which took me about 70 hours on my warrior. Then, when I got to the end game, I spent 20 hours without a single upgrade smashing my head against the wall as my exalt gambling rolls ruined every single decent item I found.

Good luck all.

Edit:

Adding an example of the gambling system in POE. So, you RNG item drops by killing mobs. That is basically the cut/dry aRPG formula. Where it differs is that in POE you have to enhance ALL the items you find with a gambling system. That's where the POE currency comes in. The currency is PURE gambling. The entire item system is built off this, and that's why the game isn't fun - unless you are a gambling addict.

[Verders]

Finding cool stuff is fun.
Crafting something, knowing the result or reforging an item the way you want and then going and killing mobs is fun
Collecting 8 items in a microscopic backpack, teleporting to town, selling them and going back to killing mobs for 10 minutes and then going back to the merchant is not fun.
Not getting a valuable reward for killing a difficult boss is not fun
Spending all the crafting resources and not getting the item you want is not fun
Going to a third-party site, knocking yourself out of the gameplay, trying to find the right item and then its owner to make an exchange - that's not fun.

The things that make arpg fun in PoE 2 are frustratingly few.

That said, fans of the first part, hardcore hardcore fans, and other extremely elite guys will throw their git gud + skill issues at any objection.
and tell you to get the hell out of our divine game.

At the same time - these players have already bought everything and there is no point in waiting for new microtransactions from them. I wonder how this version of the game will survive without a large audience. F2P games have to pay for themselves somehow, yeah.

Perhaps the authors will draw conclusions from EA and make changes that will allow casuals to get fun from the game on par with the true elite.

[Panthaz89]

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

Origineel geplaatst door underd0g:

I picked up an item, slammed it with transmution and augmentation, slammed it with regal, slammed it with 3 exalted and got exactly what I wanted. The result: something I would have vendor trashed in PoE1 if I had it identified. In this game though: it'll have to do.

Maybe this is the developers vision, that we all run around in vendor trash and feel good about it. You will own ♥♥♥♥ items, and you will be happy.

It's a Gambling simulator. That's why the vast majority of people will stop playing. It just isn't a good game. It was built around gambling as the main mechanic. That's the so called "Bones" the game is built on. There's no fixing it. It's a dead end.

This game should be outlawed.

If you could just control what gear had the game would be dead instantly its the exact opposite of what people want in this type of game....exalted orbs are you what you throw on an already good base it doesn't magically make the item terrible if you got bad rolls if the main stats it provides are core for your build. Literally everyone runs around in the same gear with the same stats by end game.....would be dead in no time at all exactly why you'd make a horrible game developer.

[Panthaz89]

Origineel geplaatst door Amigo:

This will never change. This is a f2p game. You either grind for hrs or pay real money to buy ingame currency and then buy any op items you need.

So you never played Poe because you can't buy any real power in this game. Why do you losers discuss things you have no idea about because we know you haven't bought the game.

[UnknownOne]

Origineel geplaatst door Panthaz89:

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

It's a Gambling simulator. That's why the vast majority of people will stop playing. It just isn't a good game. It was built around gambling as the main mechanic. That's the so called "Bones" the game is built on. There's no fixing it. It's a dead end.

This game should be outlawed.

If you could just control what gear had the game would be dead instantly its the exact opposite of what people want in this type of game....exalted orbs are you what you throw on an already good base it doesn't magically make the item terrible if you got bad rolls if the main stats it provides are core for your build.

If you get a bad roll, it makes the item useless. You won't progress in the end game without increasingly better loot. Only about 1% of what you find will be useful.

Like I said, this is not a typical aRPG. It's a gambling RPG. You input your time, pull the lever and hope you get something useful. However, you only get decent stuff 1% of the time (just like poe1).

Sure, RNG is a factor in all aRPGs. However, this game has numerous levels of RNG. Finding a good item is the 1st level, then you move to the gambling level and that's where the game becomes a gambling simulator.

Further, the unique items are utter garbage. I bet they improve these over time, but these should be the focus and the final end game builds should be all uniques, not yellow items you have to gamble the stats on.

Zero chance this game retains more than the POE1 players. Those folks were all addicted to the gambling, so they enjoy it. That's who this game is for.

[Clyan]

i love how just a few days ago people were defending this game because it was supposedly slower paced. now people are leaving because they cant craft best in slot gear on a whim.

here's a fun fact: ive always felt good when other felt bad. please cry more thx

[Panthaz89]

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

Origineel geplaatst door Panthaz89:

If you could just control what gear had the game would be dead instantly its the exact opposite of what people want in this type of game....exalted orbs are you what you throw on an already good base it doesn't magically make the item terrible if you got bad rolls if the main stats it provides are core for your build.

If you get a bad roll, it makes the item useless. You won't progress in the end game without increasingly better loot. Only about 1% of what you find will be useful.

Like I said, this is not a typical aRPG. It's a gambling RPG. You input your time, pull the lever and hope you get something useful. However, you only get decent stuff 1% of the time (just like poe1).

Sure, RNG is a factor in all aRPGs. However, this game has numerous levels of RNG. Finding a good item is the 1st level, then you move to the gambling level and that's where the game becomes a gambling simulator.

Further, the unique items are utter garbage. I bet they improve these over time, but these should be the focus and the final end game builds should be all uniques, not yellow items you have to gamble the stats on.

Zero chance this game retains more than the POE1 players. Those folks were all addicted to the gambling, so they enjoy it. That's who this game is for.

You can literally get blues with 2 decent modifiers and roll with that for most of the end game.......its not hard to find decent bases and you can always trade since its flipping free to do in this game.

[Poyzo]

Origineel geplaatst door Clyan:

i love how just a few days ago people were defending this game because it was supposedly slower paced. now people are leaving because they cant craft best in slot gear on a whim.

It's literally been ONE WEEK since Early Access release and these people are DEMANDING perfect gear. What? I think this is their first ARPG they have ever played. You're suppose to grind to get gear, currency and items (to upgrade gear). How do they not know this?

[xPHISHERx]

im a first time poe player and i find the game no more grindy than Destiny 2. You gamble your currency and weapons in that game all the time. I never felt like i was gambling nor do i have a "gambling addiction". The game was obviously designed to be difficult. If that doesn't suit you (in early access btw is where youre smearing this company) then simply don't play. But for me being a new player to this genre I'm beating the act bosses fairly easily after another hour or two to find an item to help beat them. That's fine. I don't know who your target audience is for this post but you keep saying "only for addicts stay away" which seems untrue considering i enjoy many many games that have zero of these mechanics. Would you rather get to end game in 10 hours then complain about how theres no content and this game is too easy? Honest question.

[thestile]

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

Origineel geplaatst door thestile:

The lottery of affix chasing is very annoying. I know it comes with the genre, but it's still annoying. Lol

This wasn't an issue in Diablo 2. Diablo 2 is still WAY better than POE1 or 2 will ever be (to me), simply because it had less gambling involved. Certainly it took a lot of farming for some items, and there were a few gambling scenarios, but ultimately getting the good items was approachable and felt good.

In this game, getting good items is a nightmare. It's just not fun to farm. The people who like this game have biological gambling tendencies. That's it. This game was designed around gambling addiciton.

If you enjoy this game, stay FAR away from casinos in real life.

Yeah I agree. Diablo 2 definitely wasn't as bad. I had a lot of hours in that game and I don't recall having gear issues, not when I kept farming bosses and whatnot.

It's been so long since I played but that's the way I remember it.

Edit: you're right about bosses also. Who wants to farm really tough bosses for crap reward? It just doesn't make sense as a design

[UnknownOne]

Origineel geplaatst door Poyzo:

Origineel geplaatst door Clyan:

i love how just a few days ago people were defending this game because it was supposedly slower paced. now people are leaving because they cant craft best in slot gear on a whim.

It's literally been ONE WEEK since Early Access release and these people are DEMANDING perfect gear. What? I think this is their first ARPG they have ever played. You're suppose to grind to get gear, currency and items (to upgrade gear). How do they not know this?

Not perfect,, just useful gear. I've gone over 20 hours with ZERO upgrades. Should I spend another 100 hours to realize that the game is designed to be a gambling simulator and that I cannot win? The game is BAD. Period. The people who like this are addicts.

Edit: I spent 90+ hours on this game and my character feels like utter garbage. In diablo 2, I'd have a god tier character by now and would move on to my next game. What's happening, is people are bored out of their minds and HATE the gambling. The game is DOA and is gonna go down like another Diablo 4 train wreck.

These are basically digital crack, where you gamble your next hit. It's ATROCIOUS. It doesn't resemble the Diablo 2, Grim Dawn, Chronicon, Etc mold at all. They are entirely different genres.

POE series is a Gambling simulator with action elements. Nothing more.

[upset]

It worked for Diablo 2, which was their intent, and it still continues to work with this game. If you don't like it, then that's a personal problem.

[Supa]

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

Origineel geplaatst door Poyzo:

It's literally been ONE WEEK since Early Access release and these people are DEMANDING perfect gear. What? I think this is their first ARPG they have ever played. You're suppose to grind to get gear, currency and items (to upgrade gear). How do they not know this?

Not perfect,, just useful gear. I've gone over 20 hours with ZERO upgrades. Should I spend another 100 hours to realize that the game is designed to be a gambling simulator and that I cannot win? The game is BAD. Period. The people who like this are addicts.

Most people play on trade servers. It's "the meta" to farm a bunch of useless items and currency and then get what you actually want. And no I don't like it, just saying.

[UnknownOne]

Origineel geplaatst door upset:

It worked for Diablo 2, which was their intent, and it still continues to work with this game. If you don't like it, then that's a personal problem.

Diablo 2 has a merchant gambler, but it wasn't required. You could finish the game with a god tier character after prob 50 hours. It is entirely different than POE. Like they aren't even the same genre. POE is not a traditional aRPG. It's a gambling, addiction simulator by design.

The RNG in Diablo 2 was fun. In this game its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[upset]

Origineel geplaatst door UnknownOne:

Origineel geplaatst door upset:

It worked for Diablo 2, which was their intent, and it still continues to work with this game. If you don't like it, then that's a personal problem.

Diablo 2 has a merchant gambler, but it wasn't required. You could finish the game with a god tier character after prob 50 hours. It is entirely different than POE. Like they aren't even the same genre. POE is not a traditional aRPG. It's a gambling, addiction simulator by design.

The RNG in Diablo 2 was fun. In this game its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Diablo set the bar for ARPG loot systems, which basically turned every single enemy into a walking slot machine, and Diablo II kicked things up a notch.

"For Diablo, there was a lot of technical things we had to overcome for things that were different than games at the time," Brevik said.

"The loot lottery is kind of a system by which randomizers are generated. The best analogy is it's a slot machine. Every time you kill a monster you put a quarter into the slot machine and pull the lever and out could come nothing, you could get your quarter back, or you could hit a jackpot.

"So if you could think of pulling the levers every time you kill a monster it's got kind of this addictive quality--just like slot machines are addictive, so is the 'I am gong to maybe win something big here.'

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/74666/diablos-loot-lottery-rng-is-like-slot-machine-says-david-brevik/index.html

[SkaldedDawg]

Origineel geplaatst door Clyan:

i love how just a few days ago people were defending this game because it was supposedly slower paced. now people are leaving because they cant craft best in slot gear on a whim.

here's a fun fact: ive always felt good when other felt bad. please cry more thx

Yikes! I've found one. A super-villain is born.