Let’s be real about yesterday’s nerf

[Begood]

Starting off, it does not make me an expert but I clocked in about 8k hours in poe 1, almost 4k hours in Lost Ark, and I’ve played all the other well-known ARPGs and other genre MMOs over the years. I invest a lot of time on games so I’d like to share my mind on what happened yesterday.

Balance changes in any live service game ESPECIALLY during EA is natural. I completely understand that and we have to expect it. But yesterday’s balance rework rubbed me the wrong way. Yes it’s completely overtuned to the point no one wants to use cast trigger skills anymore, but my main issue is something else.

The game JUST came out. Most players didn’t have enough time to rack up gold yet so it’s incredibly disheartening and difficult to spend all the gold savings from 20-60+ hours just to respec out of a build that’s nerfed to the ground. We are helping the game development with data we provide as players. And what we got in return is punishment for no apparent reason. This made me wonder does GGG not value our time? Would it have been such a big loss on them to give us free respec for such drastic balance changes? I repeat: the game came out a week ago. None of us have gold to just throw away in the name of balance changes. What they did was a complete disregard to player experience.

As a player myself, I do not know if anything I do will matter at this point because if the next balance change breaks my next build I simply would not have the gold to recover. The recent patch already erased my bank.

EA or not, as long as developers are charging people, they need to care to meet certain expectations and mutual respect of time and resources. This was not a smart way to go about it at all.



EDIT: Clearly a lot of people aren’t reading through what I wrote. It’s NOT about crying about nerfs specifically. It’s about how players didn’t get enough time yet to make gold to respec out of a build they brick. This game isn’t years old. A lot of people don’t have gold saved up to change a build right now. And that’s something that can be easily fixed by giving free respec for major changes during EA.

[RawMeatDiet]

I agree that there should be free respec for big nerfs.

[5ean5ean]

I don't agree. If youre playing this game for 20-60 hours you got your monies worth.

This is a preview to what's to come. POE is not new player friendly no matter what is advertised. I know people are still in the stages of grief but this franchise is about not getting too attached to builds. They want you to experiment and start over with other builds. Thats why we have leagues so often and thays why it's insanely hard to get to level 100.

Nerfs happen....People are overreacting. This is the POE cycle of life. Learn to let go. This game is not for casuals and it has nothing to do with difficulty. If you cannot handle this you will not have a prayer when leagues start. What happened yesterday was a love tap. Ask any POE 1 vet about the great support gem purge. All support across got nuked across the board. ..one streamer lost his mind so much it got him permanently baned from the game.

[Dr. Rockso]

If you don't know what comes along with EA games at this point, I don't know what to tell you.

[Bimjee]

Not sure what time in other games got to do with nerfs. But happens to broken builds. Just need to tweak it or try another chars. Its nothing new on their front

[Scarsick]

Never a good sign when someone starts an argument with some lame appeal to authority. It's even worst when you see one of those games is not even from the genre they claim to be "experts".

Originally posted by Begood:

Balance changes in any live service game ESPECIALLY during EA is natural.

Sure, balance changes are natural, just like radical changes are natural, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BETA after all, but people like you simply forget all this the moment they make a change YOU don't like.

Originally posted by Begood:

The game JUST came out.

Wrong, the BETA did. Like I said, when they do something you don't like you treat it like a finished game.

Originally posted by Begood:

EA or not, as long as developers are charging people, they need to care to meet certain expectations and mutual respect of time and resources.

No, they do not. Nobody forced you to pay to be a beta tester. Nowhere says they are required to please your entitled ass just because you don't understand what you've signed up for.

[Vespertellino]

Yeah yeah just give people free respec

[Begood]

Originally posted by 5ean5ean:

I don't agree. If youre playing this game for 20-60 hours you got your monies worth.

This is a preview to what's to come. POE is not new player friendly no matter what is advertised. I know people are still in the stages of grief but this franchise is about not getting too attached to builds. They want you to experiment and start over with other builds. Thats why we have leagues so often and thays why it's insanely hard to get to level 100.

Nerfs happen....People are overreacting. This is the POE cycle of life. Learn to let go. This game is not for casuals and it has nothing to do with difficulty. If you cannot handle this you will not have a prayer when leagues start. What happened yesterday was a love tap. Ask any POE 1 vet about the great support gem purge. All support across got nuked across the board. ..one streamer lost his mind so much it got him permanently baned from the game.

What you’re saying is this game is worth $25 and 20-60 hrs of your time. I think you’re gravely mistaken and forgot this is a live service game. It’s supposed to keep its playerbase alive and continue making revenue. I personally have supported GGG for over ten years spending about 5-7k dollars. My point is OF COURSE we have to expect nerfs but at the same time they have to realize this game is ONE WEEK old. Most players can’t just freely respec as you say and experiment as intended right now. With what resources? Not everyone wants to start a character over especially when the game just came out. We are nowhere near in experimenting build freely stage.

[Beatsbury]

"Balance changes in any live service game ESPECIALLY during EA is natural. I completely understand that and we have to expect it." No, you completely don't. Cheers.

[Not a Cop]

Translation: This nerf affected me personally so it's bad.

[radekim]

its 1 nerf out of many more coming. EA man, you paid for beta test . Dont cry

[Poyzo]

Your OP build is no longer allowing you to one-shot bosses and now you have to be on everybody elses level?

[Grobi]

the nerfs are fine, even destroyed one of my builds, but they should compensate players with free respecs. escept from that: why they bring all this new gems and nerf them so hard, they can't be used at all anymore.

[Judge Cudge]

Nerf was unnecessary as the builds couldn't cheese bosses. Also it would have been easy to give compensation.

Having a problem with complaining about this is insane.

[5ean5ean]

Originally posted by Begood:

Originally posted by 5ean5ean:

I don't agree. If youre playing this game for 20-60 hours you got your monies worth.

This is a preview to what's to come. POE is not new player friendly no matter what is advertised. I know people are still in the stages of grief but this franchise is about not getting too attached to builds. They want you to experiment and start over with other builds. Thats why we have leagues so often and thays why it's insanely hard to get to level 100.

Nerfs happen....People are overreacting. This is the POE cycle of life. Learn to let go. This game is not for casuals and it has nothing to do with difficulty. If you cannot handle this you will not have a prayer when leagues start. What happened yesterday was a love tap. Ask any POE 1 vet about the great support gem purge. All support across got nuked across the board. ..one streamer lost his mind so much it got him permanently baned from the game.

What you’re saying is this game is worth $25 and 20-60 hrs of your time. I think you’re gravely mistaken and forgot this is a live service game. It’s supposed to keep its playerbase alive and continue making revenue. I personally have supported GGG for over ten years spending about 5-7k dollars. My point is OF COURSE we have to expect nerfs but at the same time they have to realize this game is ONE WEEK old. Most players can’t just freely respec as you say and experiment as intended right now. With what resources? Not everyone wants to start a character over especially when the game just came out. We are nowhere near in experimenting build freely stage.

That's my point exactly. Most players dont want to start over and they are going to be in for a rude awakening. They need to toughen up now before the real game comes out. They have months of EA...this isnt the end of the world.

[Janppa]

Agree... just switched build and its unplayble now and no money to change it. looks like its game over for me