POE2 is in trouble if GGG refuses to implement an auction house

[Perfection]

The year is 2025. Having to manually whisper someone, assuming they are online and available in their hideout is incredibly tedious and detrimental gameplay. Same is true when I get whispered if I am busy playing the game in a map...

The game is only enhanced by the fact that currencies can be sold automatically via an auction house. The same will be true for gear pieces.

Most people have a life and can't dedicate enough time to play the game effectively on SSF and are forced to play Trade. The trade league experience should not be miserable.

Devs are already taking bunch of good ideas from other games besides POE1. Copying the system from LE would be a good start.

I know the game has other issues but this is important. Seriously, the current system was cool in early 2000. An out of game friction like trade causing people to quit your game is concerning. They've literally insinuated in interviews that an auction house type system for items will be added but they might not deliver on that promise.

I can only hope enough people complain and the devs listen before the game goes out of early access.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Echo2Omega:

GGG stated that they want "Friction" in the trade system.

The current state of the trade system can be described in 1 word. "Friction"
Trade is nothing but "friction"

In fact there is so much "friction" I am surprised that more computers have not combusted.

Would not surprise me to learn that the trade system is running on COBOL on a server from 1980. Just to maintain "friction"

You mean just like any other financial transaction server ?

Cobol with db2 is great for transactions. It would be way better than what it propably is (a regular mysql server or microsoft sql server).

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Detergent:

I'm just trying to help you understand why they wont add it. Now you're getting a little hostile with this alt and trolling accusations.

Now let me ask you:
Why are you so against a little player interaction?
Why do you hate having your trades neatly displayed on your 2nd or 3rd screen?
You hate having your 10 or more very advanced searches pop up with a single click?
Does having your live searches functioning while inside a map bother you?
Web browser plugins like Better Trading not convenient enough?

I ask because all this will surely go away if they add a in game auction. And for what? Because someone ignored you when you wanted to buy something? Scroll down and pay a little extra. I guarantee they wont ignore you then.

EDIT: Besides, even if they did add a in game auction, we would all still be using TFT and thats the real problem.
EDIT2: The browser extension I mentioned is called "Better PathOfExile Trading". Its been updated for PoE2 and looks like this. https://imgur.com/5zM9NzV Use it!

If you call whispering 10+ people just to buy an item or regularly getting interrupted in the middle of a map clear "a little player interaction" you're foolish or trolling.

I play POE to kill monsters and get loot. You apparently play POE so you can send direct messages to people. That's weird dude.

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Chris:

Originally posted by Perfection:

"Just don't play the game". Cool thanks for not reading my original post. If I had infinite playtime I would also play SSF but that is not an option.

but it is an option.
you are just choosing to skip it, but unhappy that you cant.

Thank you for the laugh.

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake:

Diablo 3 came with an Auction House at launch and then removed it. GGG learned from the best, and I imagine they would try not to repeat their mistakes.

An auction house logically seems like the next step, but the D3 case kinda just disproves it. D3 kinda streamlined other things too like builds and not having to respec anymore. D3 probably makes a good case study of how sometimes, not every UX improvement leads to better and more in-depth metagaming.

D3's auction house used real life money... What does that have to do with anything I've suggested?

[Lyote]

Originally posted by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake:

Diablo 3 came with an Auction House at launch and then removed it. GGG learned from the best, and I imagine they would try not to repeat their mistakes.

An auction house logically seems like the next step, but the D3 case kinda just disproves it. D3 kinda streamlined other things too like builds and not having to respec anymore. D3 probably makes a good case study of how sometimes, not every UX improvement leads to better and more in-depth metagaming.

It failed because it was in-game RMT with code to ensure that drops were weighted heavily AGAINST the player's current class to ensure players used it so Blizzard could take a cut from the sales.

[Detergent]

Originally posted by Perfection:

Originally posted by Detergent:

I'm just trying to help you understand why they wont add it. Now you're getting a little hostile with this alt and trolling accusations.

Now let me ask you:
Why are you so against a little player interaction?
Why do you hate having your trades neatly displayed on your 2nd or 3rd screen?
You hate having your 10 or more very advanced searches pop up with a single click?
Does having your live searches functioning while inside a map bother you?
Web browser plugins like Better Trading not convenient enough?

I ask because all this will surely go away if they add a in game auction. And for what? Because someone ignored you when you wanted to buy something? Scroll down and pay a little extra. I guarantee they wont ignore you then.

EDIT: Besides, even if they did add a in game auction, we would all still be using TFT and thats the real problem.
EDIT2: The browser extension I mentioned is called "Better PathOfExile Trading". Its been updated for PoE2 and looks like this. https://imgur.com/5zM9NzV Use it!

If you call whispering 10+ people just to buy an item or regularly getting interrupted in the middle of a map clear "a little player interaction" you're foolish or trolling.

I play POE to kill monsters and get loot. You apparently play POE so you can send direct messages to people. That's weird dude.

This is starting to sound like a you problem. If you're regularly getting interrupted then you doing something wrong.
Don't believe me? Go watch some PoE streamers and see how often they get interrupted.
Besides... it literally takes 2 seconds to portal to your HO. Another 5-10sec to trade. Hardly a interruption.

And if you're whispering 10+ people for a single item, that just means you're trying to buy something for much cheaper than its worth. Scroll down and pay a little extra. They wont ignore you.

Originally posted by Perfection:

Originally posted by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake:

Diablo 3 came with an Auction House at launch and then removed it. GGG learned from the best, and I imagine they would try not to repeat their mistakes.

An auction house logically seems like the next step, but the D3 case kinda just disproves it. D3 kinda streamlined other things too like builds and not having to respec anymore. D3 probably makes a good case study of how sometimes, not every UX improvement leads to better and more in-depth metagaming.

D3's auction house used real life money... What does that have to do with anything I've suggested?

Took some time before the RMAH was added. The game didn't launch with it.

[moody]

I don't think anything is going to change. PoE 2 is a good game but it's in a bad state.

There's so many things to scrap our heads about right now.

Maybe they like the idea that Currency evolves over time. Chaos Orbs replacing Exalted Orbs for Trade?

But anyway, this is suppoed to be POE 2. A new big game. We need a new big system for Trade.

[Molay]

If you could just trade without being in the same zone, that would already make it a lot better while still maintaining their desired friction. There's the friction of whispering someone and hoping they want to trade and reply, but traveling to them and back is just annoying and I wish that part was cut out.

[KillJoy]

Originally posted by Detergent:

I'm just trying to help you understand why they wont add it. Now you're getting a little hostile with this alt and trolling accusations.

Now let me ask you:
Why are you so against a little player interaction?
Why do you hate having your trades neatly displayed on your 2nd or 3rd screen?
You hate having your 10 or more very advanced searches pop up with a single click?
Does having your live searches functioning while inside a map bother you?
Web browser plugins like Better Trading not convenient enough?

I ask because all this will surely go away if they add a in game auction. And for what? Because someone ignored you when you wanted to buy something? Scroll down and pay a little extra. I guarantee they wont ignore you then.

EDIT: Besides, even if they did add a in game auction, we would all still be using TFT and thats the real problem.
EDIT2: The browser extension I mentioned is called "Better PathOfExile Trading". Its been updated for PoE2 and looks like this. https://imgur.com/5zM9NzV Use it!

- I am against player interaction because I have no idea who I am dealing with. I rather just use an auction house without knowing who sold me the item.
- Because it requires alt-tabbing to the second or third screen. What is the issue with having it all on 1 screen?
- I just need the item I am interested in pop up.
- The fact a web browser plugin is recommended for convenience, already tells you that the current systems functionality is lacking.
- And if they were smart, they could generate revenue from this as trading could be done using a special trade "deposit" tab. Many people would happily purchase 1 of those if it meant they could click on an item, purchase it and have it automatically be delivered to that tab.

It's not even the external web site and it's interface that is the issue, it's the fact you have to meet up with the seller and hope they sell you the item and not try to somehow scam you or make you wait for a long time.
If you could just click and purchase it, and it directly went into your tab, things would be a lot better and it would be way less of a time sink than it currently is.

[ffrotty]

all these wrong takes. Jonathan is on record stating that they have to implement instant trade and they're figuring out how to do it. look up the interview if you are actually interested in being informed.

People quoting a trade manifesto from 7 years ago, before they added the currency exchange 6 months ago are basically trolling, intentionally or not.

All of this nonsense about "trade friction" was relevant 7 years ago about POE1 which has far more deterministic crafting and far faster rate of completion with more endgame activities, gasp, because it's a much older game that had dozens of leagues.

They were also excusing the fact that there was no official trade website, but they realized that people were making scam/exploited trade websites that gave advantages to select few.

Prior to them releasing their own official trade website, they also defended not having one.

[ffrotty]

Originally posted by Detergent:

I'm just trying to help you understand why they wont add it. Now you're getting a little hostile with this alt and trolling accusations.

the director of the game is literally on record saying they will add it

[Molay]

Originally posted by ffrotty:

Originally posted by Detergent:

I'm just trying to help you understand why they wont add it. Now you're getting a little hostile with this alt and trolling accusations.

the director of the game is literally on record saying they will add it

Can you link the interview by chance? I'd like to watch it. Pretty new PoE player, so out of the loop

[ffrotty]

Originally posted by Molay:

Originally posted by ffrotty:

the director of the game is literally on record saying they will add it

Can you link the interview by chance? I'd like to watch it. Pretty new PoE player, so out of the loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RskRFwgoQ5g

around 1:50:00 is the trade discussion.

People will no longer accept an ARPG that doesn't have instant buyouts... so therefore we'll need to change. No excuses, if players aren't enjoying something we'll need to find a way to solve that problem. So we will solve that problem

This is from literally a year ago, BEFORE there was "gold" in poe at all. he only refers to poe2 having gold, but it was added in POE1. And is used in the currency exchange which was added in july last year.

Some might think this ONLY applies to currency exchange and not trades, but if you watch the interview he refers to the exponential curve of powerful items (best items getting ridiculously expensive, lesser items valueless).

The currency exchange being in the game but NOT buy-it-now trading has only made that exponential curve happen FASTER.

gold = friction because you have to play to get it. i think it's also why waystones/maps aren't in currency exchange, because they sell for probably too much gold atm.


So now that anyone watching this is enlightened they can see how goofy (or most politely, out-of-date) some of the assertions in this thread are.

[WhulfPack]

I don't play SSF because I play with my wife and we share drops between us.
But I don't use the trade website. I tried it for a few weeks at launch of EA, but quickly got tired of the entire thing and stopped using it.

I have never bought premium tabs because having to pick between trading or playing the game does not appeal to me in the least. So I don't sell, and I don't buy. I don't care for the economy game loop so I don't take part in it.

If there was an AH where I could put my stuff up for sale, then play the rest of the actual game. I would actually take part in the trading with that kind of a system. But the way it sits now ... naw. It's not fun, it actually sucks.

Even if I was to take part in the current system of selling, there will never be a day I spend my RL cash to deck out a hideout to show off to players. My current hideout in POE2 is default and it will probably remain default. If I wanted to play house I'd go play a game that does a better job of it, one that don't cost me RL cash to do so.

The biggest part of my post is, I'm not the only one. There are plenty of people that feel the way I do.

Will I stop playing the game? No. I enjoy POE2 a great deal. But I absolutely will never make use of the trading system outside the ingame currency exchange. The current system is rigged. It sucks. It's not fun.

However, I don't for a minute believe they'll add an Auction House system of any kind. I am pretty much positive the system we have is how it will remain. Which is fine with me. I don't use it now and still do fine and enjoy myself. It won't hurt me today, tomorrow, or 2 years from now.

[Deaden]

If they do this they cannot sell premium stash tab feature.
Solution: rent a server for this purpose and implement into game with an npc.

I will take this to further: My honest view is your game is even behind of Diablo 4. I'm not kidding because your players meeting hub is a closed box and totally dull. You need to add a bigger community town to gather players. Maybe room size about 50 players limited I dunno but you can figure out this. Add 2 or 3 AH NPC into that room which could be an INN or a barn whatever so. Premium stash tab items can be listed in game NPCs. Add very nice and user friendly UI for AH.

or..

Sell in game private AH NPC in your store. I guess this will be win win for you. You are good to do it now.

Btw, I guess this opinion deserve a %0.001 gaining to me at least. I've crazy ideas for you to get lot's of money from players. (just kidding.. not sure. is there an opening job?)