"All Bets are Off!" Can't enter despite all contracts finished

[Calcifer]

I finished all the levels but can't enter the mission "all bets are off". He stops me at the door and says "Hold it right there, you!" and won't let me in. WHYYYYY?

[Nervatel]

Can you provide a screenshot of your checklist pages ?

[Roman]

Did you finish all the levels on Regular or Simple? Because Simple mode doesn't count and you need to do them on at least Regular.

[Calcifer]

Roman you're right. ♥♥♥♥ this developer for never explaining that anywhere in the game, they never said that simple would lock prograssion because for the entire game it doesn't! You can move through the whole game on simple, but not finish it. What kind of scumbag designer would put that in the game??? Angry as ♥♥♥♥, now my GF and I are supposed to complete the whole game over again??? WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. There's tought gameplay and there's punishing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ them

[spookIy]

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Roman you're right. ♥♥♥♥ this developer for never explaining that anywhere in the game, they never said that simple would lock prograssion because for the entire game it doesn't! You can move through the whole game on simple, but not finish it. What kind of scumbag designer would put that in the game??? Angry as ♥♥♥♥, now my GF and I are supposed to complete the whole game over again??? WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. There's tought gameplay and there's punishing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ them

uhh yeah they did explain it, the first time you complete a level on simple king dice says"Remember only a regular battle will let you collect a debtor's soul contract....Now scram."And don't you dare bring the devs into this. They spent 7 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years on this masterpiece because its your own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fault for not paying any attention and trying to take the easy way out.

[ReadyNick]

Originally posted by Spoopy_Pigeon:

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Roman you're right. ♥♥♥♥ this developer for never explaining that anywhere in the game, they never said that simple would lock prograssion because for the entire game it doesn't! You can move through the whole game on simple, but not finish it. What kind of scumbag designer would put that in the game??? Angry as ♥♥♥♥, now my GF and I are supposed to complete the whole game over again??? WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. There's tought gameplay and there's punishing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ them

uhh yeah they did explain it, the first time you complete a level on simple king dice says

"Remember only a regular battle will let you collect a debtor's soul contract....Now scram."

And don't you dare bring the devs into this. They spent 7 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years on this masterpiece because its your own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fault for not paying any attention and trying to take the easy way out.

BOOM, don't rush a game and skip dialog :)

[spookIy]

ikr? this game was made to be hard

[Calcifer]

Originally posted by Spoopy_Pigeon:

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Roman you're right. ♥♥♥♥ this developer for never explaining that anywhere in the game, they never said that simple would lock prograssion because for the entire game it doesn't! You can move through the whole game on simple, but not finish it. What kind of scumbag designer would put that in the game??? Angry as ♥♥♥♥, now my GF and I are supposed to complete the whole game over again??? WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. There's tought gameplay and there's punishing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ them

uhh yeah they did explain it, the first time you complete a level on simple king dice says"Remember only a regular battle will let you collect a debtor's soul contract....Now scram."And don't you dare bring the devs into this. They spent 7 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years on this masterpiece because its your own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fault for not paying any attention and trying to take the easy way out.

It shjould be mentioned up front, not in some random piece of dialogue after ONE mission. We didn't do the first contract on simple, but they were really hard and we just wanted to experience the rest of the game. Stupid idea, and WOW, so what they spent 7 years developing it? You can spend a long time doing something and still make a mistake.

[Nervatel]

Originally posted by Calcifer:

It shjould be mentioned up front, not in some random piece of dialogue after ONE mission. We didn't do the first contract on simple, but they were really hard and we just wanted to experience the rest of the game. Stupid idea, and WOW, so what they spent 7 years developing it? You can spend a long time doing something and still make a mistake.

It appears regardless of what level you played on simple, if you beat all the prior bosses on Normal, and then play on Simple for the train fight, the message will pop up immediately after beating it.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358625
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358687
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358753

And even if you didn't read the message, you should have been at least a little bit curious why the boss wasn't checked off in some way, on your checklist
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177360345

Even moreso, when you notice that the levels, after beating the one on the Normal difficulty, don't have this pop-up
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177365692

[Calcifer]

Originally posted by Nervatel/ Hanging Closet Monster:

Originally posted by Calcifer:

It shjould be mentioned up front, not in some random piece of dialogue after ONE mission. We didn't do the first contract on simple, but they were really hard and we just wanted to experience the rest of the game. Stupid idea, and WOW, so what they spent 7 years developing it? You can spend a long time doing something and still make a mistake.

It appears regardless of what level you played on simple, if you beat all the prior bosses on Normal, and then play on Simple for the train fight, the message will pop up immediately after beating it.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358625
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358687
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177358753

And even if you didn't read the message, you should have been at least a little bit curious why the boss wasn't checked off in some way, on your checklist
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177360345

Even moreso, when you notice that the levels, after beating the one on the Normal difficulty, don't have this pop-up
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1177365692

Okay so if you can't get the contract and it's supposed to be hard, why include the simple mode anyway??? What is the purpose of having a "not really training" mode in the game that unlocks everything except the final boss? It's BAD DESIGN!

[Nervatel]

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Okay so if you can't get the contract and it's supposed to be hard, why include the simple mode anyway??? What is the purpose of having a "not really training" mode in the game that unlocks everything except the final boss? It's BAD DESIGN!

Giving players a way to learn and get better at some of the mechanics, isn't bad design.

There is very little they could do, to even give King Dice or the Devil a simple difficulty.

[Calcifer]

Originally posted by Nervatel/ Hanging Closet Monster:

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Okay so if you can't get the contract and it's supposed to be hard, why include the simple mode anyway??? What is the purpose of having a "not really training" mode in the game that unlocks everything except the final boss? It's BAD DESIGN!

Giving players a way to learn and get better at some of the mechanics, isn't bad design.

There is very little they could do, to even give King Dice or the Devil a simple difficulty.

"To give players a way to learn?"

Seriously? Either its a hardcore game or it isn't but giving players a "way to learn" that also lets them progress through the entire game EXCEPT the final boss is an insult and it is, in fact, bad design, because I'm here getting pissed off that I wasted a bunch of time going through this game because I might have clicked through a tooltip ONCE!

[Nervatel]

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Originally posted by Nervatel/ Hanging Closet Monster:

Giving players a way to learn and get better at some of the mechanics, isn't bad design.

There is very little they could do, to even give King Dice or the Devil a simple difficulty.

"To give players a way to learn?"

Seriously? Either its a hardcore game or it isn't but giving players a "way to learn" that also lets them progress through the entire game EXCEPT the final boss is an insult and it is, in fact, bad design, because I'm here getting pissed off that I wasted a bunch of time going through this game because I might have clicked through a tooltip ONCE!

Letting them move from world to world isn't probably the best idea, but again, how do you change a boss fight that has only one attack, without removing that attack ?

[Katana]

If I'm going to be honest, I do think the game should have had a "Mediocre Ending" in which you don't have all Regular mode contracts, and then when you reach Hell, King Dice just takes the contracts and says you're square. Then they walk home and see that the characters have become even more messed up after selling their souls, and it somehow encourages you to play again on a higher difficulty.

It isn't uncommon for games to have secret final bosses when playing on a higher difficulty. Super Smash Bros tends to do that.

[Hearts™]

Originally posted by Calcifer:

Roman you're right. ♥♥♥♥ this developer for never explaining that anywhere in the game, they never said that simple would lock prograssion because for the entire game it doesn't! You can move through the whole game on simple, but not finish it. What kind of scumbag designer would put that in the game??? Angry as ♥♥♥♥, now my GF and I are supposed to complete the whole game over again??? WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. There's tought gameplay and there's punishing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. ♥♥♥♥ them

All over again? You haven't cleared any of the stages on normal. Think of that as a practice run.

[Hearts™]

Originally posted by Nervatel/ Hanging Closet Monster:

There is very little they could do, to even give King Dice or the Devil a simple difficulty.

Think so? Simple changes might be increasing the number of bonus hearts in the dice game, and cutting down / removing the additional enemies in the Devil fight. I haven't touched Simple difficulty though so I'm not sure how watered-down it is.